Re: Watch your PlanetPostgreSQL.org blogs

Apparently Command Prompt and Devrim GÜNDÜZ own planetpostgresql.org
and can arbitrarily decide to remove your blog from planetpostgresql.

I, and several others, received an email telling us that we we were
not meeting the (unpublished) requirements for blog display length.
Try telling blogger how much you want to display. At best it is hit
or miss.

BTW, my longest post in recent time was about 10 paragraphs long. I
didn't count words but it was NOT a *long* post.

Of course, this comes just days after Devrim and I had a disagreement
about being restricted to using OSS tools or not for presenting at an
OSS conference. Coincidence?

Anyway, that means that a single person can enforce his own,
unpublished standards for acceptable content and length. This kind
of arbitrary, "take my ball and go home" mentality is exactly what
will turn off people who are thinking about whether or not they want
to join this community.

PlanetPostgrSQL.org is listed on the postgresql.org home page and
should be controlled by more than a single individual. If this is a
project that is policed and controlled solely by Devrim (as intimated
by Joshua Drake, to me, in an email), then it should be removed from
the homepage.

If it is really a community effort, it should be controlled by the
community and not by Devrim. If an alternate aggregator is started,
what is the process to have it added to postgresql.org?

Thanks,

LewisC

Lewis R Cunningham

An Expert's Guide to Oracle Technology
http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/oracle/guide/

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Lewis,

> PlanetPostgrSQL.org is listed on the postgresql.org home page and
> should be controlled by more than a single individual.  If this is a
> project that is policed and controlled solely by Devrim (as intimated
> by Joshua Drake, to me, in an email), then it should be removed from
> the homepage.

Historically, discussions regarding what goes on Planetpostgresql.org have
taken place on pgsql-www, and Devrim has been pretty consistent in raising
issues there before taking action. I don't know why he didn't this time;
I've posted to pgsql-www inquiring.

He's also not the sole admin of planetpostgresql.org.

--
--Josh Berkus

Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL Project Core Team
www.postgresql.org

(all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak
for the Project unless specifically noted.)

Hi,

On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 13:56 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> He's also not the sole admin of planetpostgresql.org.

I am.

Regards,
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 13:42:51 -0800 (PST)
Lewis Cunningham <lewisc(at)rocketmail(dot)com> wrote:

> Apparently Command Prompt and Devrim GÜNDÜZ own planetpostgresql.org
> and can arbitrarily decide to remove your blog from planetpostgresql.

Lewis, as I politely explained to you this is not the case. Let me post
that email here so there is zero question on this matter:

{{{
> This seems pretty one-sided and arbitrary.
>
> Is this Devrim the owner of planetpostgresql? Does he set the law

It is his project yes.

> for anyone carried on the feed?
>

It is a uniform policy. Although possibly not as well advertised as it
should be.

> I checked my recent posts and I have not had any that were overly
> large. The largest in that last month or so was about 10 paragraphs.
> Is that the new standard?

The problem isn't the length of your post as a blog. It's that you
aren't following headline rules.

Look here:

http://www.commandprompt.com/blogs/

You will see short headlines of the blog, that is the part that is
supposed to show up at planet. Not the whole blog.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake
}}}

AND:

{{{
On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:37:53 -0800 (PST)
Lewis Cunningham <lewisc(at)rocketmail(dot)com> wrote:

> So was it the length of my last post or the topic?

It is the length in which your blog displays on Planet. You must trim
to headline per my direct email to you.
>
> Will you be policing all posts to planetpostgresql now? Should I

It is his project to do with what he wishes but this isn't policing. It
is providing uniform coverage for all bloggers on the feed.

> Do you have them written? Number of words, paragraphs, just Devrim's
> opinion?

LewisC this attitude is really not required. He provided the examples
of acceptable blog entries below. Devrim if the BFDL of Planet, we all
have to abide by the policies he sets forth and to date they have been
very reasonable.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake
}}}

AND:

{{{
> Hi,
>
> I removed your blogs from Planet, since your last posts were long
> enough
> for Planet. Our rule is:
>
> ==============
> *If* your posts are very long, please break them into two parts.
> One
> that's included on planetpostgresql.org and a second that's
> available
> after clicking a link. This will keep the layout of
> planetpostgresql.org
> easy and quick for our visitors. Please see David Fetter's or
> Joshua
> Drake's, or Jeff David's posts as good examples (we have more
> examples,
> of course).
> ==============
>
> This was sent to you on Jan 08, 2008.
>
> Please let me know when your posts are fixed.
>
> Kind regards,
> --
> Devrim GÜNDÜZ , RHCE
> PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7
> support
> Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting
> Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/
>
}}}

As everyone can now clearly see. You sir, are flanning flames for a
fire started on wet wood.

>
> I, and several others, received an email telling us that we we were
> not meeting the (unpublished) requirements for blog display length.
> Try telling blogger how much you want to display. At best it is hit
> or miss.
>

Yes and others is the key here. Anyone on this list that users planet
that has had a too long post has received the email in the past.

> BTW, my longest post in recent time was about 10 paragraphs long. I
> didn't count words but it was NOT a *long* post.

Which is, too long per the specification set by Devrim.

>
> Of course, this comes just days after Devrim and I had a disagreement
> about being restricted to using OSS tools or not for presenting at an
> OSS conference. Coincidence?
>

Actually it is. *I* am the one that ask Devrim to review current posts
on Planet because I noticed that several were too long per the policy.

> Anyway, that means that a single person can enforce his own,
> unpublished standards for acceptable content and length. This kind
> of arbitrary, "take my ball and go home" mentality is exactly what
> will turn off people who are thinking about whether or not they want
> to join this community.

LewisC I am afraid you are way off base here. As the above emails show.

>
> PlanetPostgrSQL.org is listed on the postgresql.org home page and
> should be controlled by more than a single individual. If this is a
> project that is policed and controlled solely by Devrim (as intimated
> by Joshua Drake, to me, in an email), then it should be removed from
> the homepage.

LewisC, Devrim is a major contributor to this project and I would note
that to date, you are the only one that has complained about this
policy. Because the policy, makes sense.

Please, take a chill pill. Have a good weekend.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 13:56:30 -0800
Josh Berkus <josh(at)postgresql(dot)org> wrote:

> Lewis,
>
> > PlanetPostgrSQL.org is listed on the postgresql.org home page and
> > should be controlled by more than a single individual.  If this is a
> > project that is policed and controlled solely by Devrim (as
> > intimated by Joshua Drake, to me, in an email), then it should be
> > removed from the homepage.
>
> Historically, discussions regarding what goes on Planetpostgresql.org
> have taken place on pgsql-www, and Devrim has been pretty consistent
> in raising issues there before taking action. I don't know why he
> didn't this time; I've posted to pgsql-www inquiring.

Josh I invite you to see my reply on this.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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Hi,

On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 13:42 -0800, Lewis Cunningham wrote:
> Of course, this comes just days after Devrim and I had a disagreement
> about being restricted to using OSS tools or not for presenting at an
> OSS conference. Coincidence?

I don't care about the rest of your post that much, but this is
really... err. stupid.

I thought that noone involving in PostgreSQL project was narrow-minded.

Regards,
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Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting
Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/

Devrim,

> > He's also not the sole admin of planetpostgresql.org.
>
> I am.

Really? I thought Robert had rights. Well, it's obviously never been an
issue before.

Lewis, from the sound of it, you just need to put less text in your
"excerpt" portion of your posts. Is that correct, Devrim?

--
--Josh Berkus

Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL Project Core Team
www.postgresql.org

(all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak
for the Project unless specifically noted.)

Hi,

On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 14:16 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > > He's also not the sole admin of planetpostgresql.org.
> >
> > I am.
>
> Really? I thought Robert had rights. Well, it's obviously never been
> an issue before.

Well, technically all community sysadmins has full access to that box,
but it does not mean that they are administrating Planet PostgreSQL.

> Lewis, from the sound of it, you just need to put less text in your
> "excerpt" portion of your posts. Is that correct, Devrim?

Exactly. Like your blog, Joshua's blog, Hubert's blog, etc. If a blog
software does not have that feature, we have some alternatives like
feedburner. If asked politely, I'm happy to help anyone.

Regards,
--
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PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 14:16:19 -0800
Josh Berkus <josh(at)postgresql(dot)org> wrote:

> Devrim,
>
> > > He's also not the sole admin of planetpostgresql.org.
> >
> > I am.
>
> Really? I thought Robert had rights. Well, it's obviously never
> been an issue before.

Robert has rights as do I but Devrim is by far the BDFL on this.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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Devrim,

> Well, technically all community sysadmins has full access to that box,
> but it does not mean that they are administrating Planet PostgreSQL.

Nope, but it does cover us if you get sick or something.

> Exactly. Like your blog, Joshua's blog, Hubert's blog, etc. If a blog
> software does not have that feature, we have some alternatives like
> feedburner. If asked politely, I'm happy to help anyone.

Lewis is on the same SW I am: ittoolbox.com. It works pretty normally
where excerpts are concerned.

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Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL Project Core Team
www.postgresql.org

(all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak
for the Project unless specifically noted.)

Hi,

On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 14:24 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > Well, technically all community sysadmins has full access to that
> box,
> > but it does not mean that they are administrating Planet PostgreSQL.
>
> Nope, but it does cover us if you get sick or something.

I'm not talking about the technical issues -- I'm talking about the
policy stuff.

Regards,
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PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting
Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/

Hi,

On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 14:26 -0800, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote:
> > Nope, but it does cover us if you get sick or something.
>
> I'm not talking about the technical issues -- I'm talking about the
> policy stuff.

BTW: When someone wants to land Planet PostgreSQL, I forward this
request to planet internal list, and ask for comments. There have been
only very few exceptions on this, I think. Magnus helps me a lot, and
always comments on these request.

So, I'm not the only person, but yes, I own the domain ;)

-HTH.

Regards,
--
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 14:30:18 -0800 (PST)
Lewis Cunningham <lewisc(at)rocketmail(dot)com> wrote:

> I have no problem with having a policy or following a policy. My
> problem is: Where is it? When was the last time someone's blog was
> booted from planetpostgresql? Is it documented, i.e. an "open &
> discussed" event?
>
> I still say a single "king" is bad thing. But I had my say, it
> sounds like I am alone in my opinion and I'll shut up now.
>
> LewisC - Off to take a chill pill

Lewis, all you have to do is this:

Log in to blogger.
Select Settings
Select Site Feed
Change Allow Blog Feeds to short

Problem solved.

You owe me a beer. I didn't have a blogger account until this argument.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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Lewis,

On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 3:13 AM, Lewis Cunningham <lewisc(at)rocketmail(dot)com> wrote:
>
> My problem is not even so much the feed. I know how to use yahoo
> pipes and feedburner to create a custom feed. The problem is two
> fold. First, this is supposed to be a community aggregator and a
> single person is making arbitrary rules on who and how to use it.
> Second, is the matter of a policy that is undocumented, subject to a
> single person's interpretation and where enforcement is not open.

Well there's a major part of your misunderstanding.
planetpostgresql.org IS NOT a community project. It is a project
started and run by a very well liked and respected community member
(with the assistance of a few others), that the community - read web
team, plus others - support and encourage. If it were a community
project it would be under postgresql.org, as all our sites are, (with
the exception of pgFoundry)

> I was just surprised to get an email booting me off the aggregator.

I've certainly seen requests to keep introductory paragraphs to a
reasonable length in the past - did you not get them as well?

--
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Dave Page wrote:

> Well there's a major part of your misunderstanding.
> planetpostgresql.org IS NOT a community project. It is a project
> started and run by a very well liked and respected community member
> (with the assistance of a few others), that the community - read web
> team, plus others - support and encourage. If it were a community
> project it would be under postgresql.org, as all our sites are, (with
> the exception of pgFoundry)

And with the new exception of the community documentation recently
started at http://www.postgresqldocs.org.

--
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Guy Rouillier <guyr-ml1(at)burntmail(dot)com> writes:
> Dave Page wrote:
>> Well there's a major part of your misunderstanding.
>> planetpostgresql.org IS NOT a community project. It is a project
>> started and run by a very well liked and respected community member
>> (with the assistance of a few others), that the community - read web
>> team, plus others - support and encourage. If it were a community
>> project it would be under postgresql.org, as all our sites are, (with
>> the exception of pgFoundry)

> And with the new exception of the community documentation recently
> started at http://www.postgresqldocs.org.

Which in fact has got only the weakest claim to be a "community"
project. If it actually were such, in the sense of having been started
with community-wide discussion and approval, it would have been set up
under postgresql.org.

regards, tom lane

Err, no. That is also not a postgresql.org website. Let me clarify, so
JD doesn't slap my wrists again.

Official PostgreSQL project sites/services are deployed under the
postgresql.org domain, having been agreed upon by -www or the sysadmin
team. We have a policy of not using alternate domain names, or even
site names as far as is practical. The only exceptions are pgFoundry,
and some backend infrastructure.

Other sites, such as planetpostgresql an postgresqldocs, are not run
as part of the PostgreSQ

On 3/8/08, Guy Rouillier <guyr-ml1(at)burntmail(dot)com> wrote:
> Dave Page wrote:
>
> > Well there's a major part of your misunderstanding.
> > planetpostgresql.org IS NOT a community project. It is a project
> > started and run by a very well liked and respected community member
> > (with the assistance of a few others), that the community - read web
> > team, plus others - support and encourage. If it were a community
> > project it would be under postgresql.org, as all our sites are, (with
> > the exception of pgFoundry)
>
> And with the new exception of the community documentation recently
> started at http://www.postgresqldocs.org.
>
> --
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On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:39:32 -0500
Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> wrote:

> Guy Rouillier <guyr-ml1(at)burntmail(dot)com> writes:
> > Dave Page wrote:
> >> Well there's a major part of your misunderstanding.
> >> planetpostgresql.org IS NOT a community project. It is a project
> >> started and run by a very well liked and respected community member
> >> (with the assistance of a few others), that the community - read
> >> web team, plus others - support and encourage. If it were a
> >> community project it would be under postgresql.org, as all our
> >> sites are, (with the exception of pgFoundry)
>
> > And with the new exception of the community documentation recently
> > started at http://www.postgresqldocs.org.
>
> Which in fact has got only the weakest claim to be a "community"
> project. If it actually were such, in the sense of having been
> started with community-wide discussion and approval, it would have
> been set up under postgresql.org.

I suggest you check the archives the the numerous threads on the topic
of having community editable documentation that have essentially been
ignored by the Web team (of which I am a part).

>
> regards, tom lane

The "community" is much bigger than the small atom of .Org. .Org is
obviously the hub and the central switch no question but your assessment
of it not being a community project is a testament to arrogance that I
haven't seen in some days on these lists.

Are you to say that the easy 99% of people that use PostgreSQL that
don't participate within the .Org aren't part of our community? Or
perhaps that the ITPUG folks, who for the most part do not participate
on these lists aren't part of our community?

Or perhaps you are saying that the very hard work by Elein via the old
Bits days are not part of the community just because it doesn't have
PostgreSQL.org address.

Tom with the utmost of respect, you are in this instance the most
centered of the definition wrong I have seen.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:57:28 +0000
"Dave Page" <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org> wrote:

> Err, no. That is also not a postgresql.org website. Let me clarify, so
> JD doesn't slap my wrists again.
>
> Official PostgreSQL project sites/services are deployed under the
> postgresql.org domain, having been agreed upon by -www or the sysadmin
> team. We have a policy of not using alternate domain names, or even
> site names as far as is practical. The only exceptions are pgFoundry,
> and some backend infrastructure.

Right.

>
> Other sites, such as planetpostgresql an postgresqldocs, are not run
> as part of the PostgreSQ

This got cut off but I assume you meant, "as part of the PostgreSQL.Org
infrastructure (or PostgreSQL.Org community)".

That would be correct. PlanetPostgresql, Postgresqldocs,
Postgresqlconference, ITPUG, PostgreSQLFR, PostgreSQL.eu are PostgreSQL
community projects but they are not PostgreSQL.Org projects. Which in
my mind is cool (I know not everyone agrees) because it is a testament
to the strength of our community as a whole.

To look at PostgreSQL as just PostgreSQL.org doesn't do the community
or the project itself justice.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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Hi,

Either please change the subject, or let's move this discussion to -www,
with a different subject.

Thanks.
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Tom Lane wrote:
> Guy Rouillier <guyr-ml1(at)burntmail(dot)com> writes:

>> And with the new exception of the community documentation recently
>> started at http://www.postgresqldocs.org.
>
> Which in fact has got only the weakest claim to be a "community"
> project. If it actually were such, in the sense of having been started
> with community-wide discussion and approval, it would have been set up
> under postgresql.org.

Well, color me confused. I don't pretend to understand what all this is
about, and as just a user of PG, I don't necessarily have the need to
know. I'm just trying to give back to the community in whatever small
way I can, and I thought community documentation would offer me the
opportunity to do that.

The only thing I think I have a right to ask is that whatever
contributions I may make not be a waste of effort because the PG
decision-makers have decided that a certain repository is now
"official", and the previous one is defunct. So I'd ask those
decision-makers to come up with a single consistent story for us
run-of-the-mill community members.

--
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On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:27:43 -0500
Guy Rouillier <guyr-ml1(at)burntmail(dot)com> wrote:

> The only thing I think I have a right to ask is that whatever
> contributions I may make not be a waste of effort because the PG
> decision-makers have decided that a certain repository is now
> "official", and the previous one is defunct. So I'd ask those
> decision-makers to come up with a single consistent story for us
> run-of-the-mill community members.

I don't think anyone can argue with this:

http://www.postgresqldocs.org is not a PostgreSQL.org project.

It is a PostgreSQL Community project, by the very nature that it has
PostgreSQL community members contributing to it.

The confusion comes in when sweeping statements of tasks and projects
not being part of the "community". Where "community" is not correctly
defined. However when we use such a limited, false and frankly naive
definition of community, PostgreSQL.org becomes nothing because it loses
everything that makes it powerful.

Consider that only three drivers are developed under PostgreSQL.org,
jdbc, psqlodbc and C. All of the others are developed independently of
PostgreSQL.Org and yet are respectable and deserving members of the
"community".

Further consider that applications that make PostgreSQL.org powerful
Drupal, WordPress, Postgis, Postbooks, and LedgerSMB etc... are also
not developed under PostgreSQL.org but are very much a part of the
community.

Lastly let's not forget our regional communities such as PostgreSQL.eu,
itpug.org, PostgreSQLFR.org, PostgreSQL.BR etc... We can in anyway
suggest they are not members of the "community" can we?

As a "run-of-the-mill" community member, I argue that your perceptions,
are more important than the self inflated ideals of any
"contributor" (myself included), because there are 1000 run-of-the-mill
community members for every known contributor. It is those 1000
run-of-the-mill community members that are actually driving the growth
of our "Community" which encompasses but is not anywhere near limited
to PostgreSQL.org and yet has everything to do with, "PostgreSQL"

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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On Sat, 8 Mar 2008, Guy Rouillier wrote:

> The only thing I think I have a right to ask is that whatever
> contributions I may make not be a waste of effort because the PG
> decision-makers have decided that a certain repository is now
> "official", and the previous one is defunct.

Contributions to postgresqldocs.org are licensed such the author still
retains copyright on that work. If you write something there and later
decide some other site would be a better home for the documentation you
wrote, you can copy whatever you did over. You should never work on
documentation you want to contribute to the world with someone if you
don't end up with the ability to use it elsewhere afterwards.

> So I'd ask those decision-makers to come up with a single consistent
> story for us run-of-the-mill community members.

Right now the official home for community documentation is
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/techdocs

I personally find editing and posting material there too difficult, which
is why I'm writing on the postgresqldocs.org wiki instead. The PostgreSQL
WWW team is investigating a more flexible approach as well. You can find
a recent statement of their plans in this area at
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2008-02/msg00217.php

If you're concerned about contributing to a site not officially under the
banner of the PostgreSQL Global Development Group, by all means wait to
see what they come up. There can't be a "single consistent story" from
them and from "run-of-the-mill" me until they've built something that
isn't available yet. Since I like to write but am not into that sort of
infrastructure building task, I just keep chugging away at what I'm good
at while I wait to see how that turns out.

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* Greg Smith gsmith(at)gregsmith(dot)com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD

Lewis,

> > I have no problem with having a policy or following a policy. My
> > problem is: Where is it? When was the last time someone's blog was
> > booted from planetpostgresql? Is it documented, i.e. an "open &
> > discussed" event?

Actually, the policy was discussed on pgsql-www mailing list in November, I
believe, due to formatting issues on the Postgresql.org home page. Devrim
says he e-mailed you (and every other planetpostgresql.org feed) about it in
January.

The policy will also be going up somewhere linked from planetpostgresql.org
since we've had this discussion; not having in on the web was an oversight.

--
Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL Project
Core Team Member
(any opinions expressed are my own)

Hello,

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:59:49 -0700 Josh Berkus wrote:

> > > I have no problem with having a policy or following a policy. My
> > > problem is: Where is it? When was the last time someone's blog was
> > > booted from planetpostgresql? Is it documented, i.e. an "open &
> > > discussed" event?
>
> Actually, the policy was discussed on pgsql-www mailing list in November, I
> believe, due to formatting issues on the Postgresql.org home page. Devrim
> says he e-mailed you (and every other planetpostgresql.org feed) about it in
> January.

i can remember that i got this an email from Devrim. Even if i don't
had a specific problem with one of my postings. But i can't remember
the exact date. It was either end of 2007 or beginning 2008.

Kind regards

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Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
German PostgreSQL User Group