Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions

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From: Peter Eisentraut <petere(at)postgresql(dot)org>
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Subject: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-01 10:51:29
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PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit
=============================

Call for Contributions
----------------------

The PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit will take place on July 8 and 9, 2006, in
Toronto, Canada. We are planning for a gathering of about 50 hackers,
contributors, and other friends of the PostgreSQL project to celebrate the
project's 10th anniversary, reflect on the work accomplished, establish new
contacts, and plan for the future. The summit will feature speaker sessions,
workshops, discussion groups, and social events. We are now looking for
content proposals. Topics can include:

- Development, how to and how not to

- Features for the future (or of the past)

- PostgreSQL-related research projects

- Issues relating to the project's organization

- PostgreSQL-related projects

- Legal issues

- Non-profit organizations

- Advocacy, marketing

- How to make PostgreSQL more appealing to $X

- Business aspects

- Other interesting event proposals such as discussions, contests, awards,
question sessions, etc. will also be considered if you are prepared to
organize them.

There is considerable freedom in developing the program. Anything that is
important to you, of interest to others, and of value to the project can be
reasonable. But remember that this is a conference of PostgreSQL
contributors, so user-level talks should normally not be submitted.

Submissions and the actual sessions should be in English. Contributions
should generally use time slots of 45 minutes, but feel free to specify
otherwise if you have special requirements. We are also welcoming "lightning
talks" of about 5 minutes.

Send submissions to conference-submissions(at)lists(dot)pgfoundry(dot)org in free form,
but include the following information:

- your name
- your e-mail address
- title of your contribution
- type of your contribution (talk, discussion, etc.)
- abstract of up to 100 words (for publishing in the program)
- extended description (for review by the organizers, not published)

The deadline for submissions is March 31st.

Speakers and other supporters of the conference program (exception: lightning
talks) will be offered free registration. They will also be first in line to
receive financial assistance, but we cannot guarantee any such thing at the
moment, so be prepared to pay for your travel and accomodation.

--
Peter Eisentraut
on behalf of the conference team


From: Oleg Bartunov <oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su>
To: Peter Eisentraut <petere(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Cc: pgsql-announce(at)postgresql(dot)org, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-02 12:29:32
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Peter,

I'd need an invitation to get a visa. Is't possible ?

Oleg
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Peter Eisentraut wrote:

> PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit
> =============================
>
> Call for Contributions
> ----------------------
>
> The PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit will take place on July 8 and 9, 2006, in
> Toronto, Canada. We are planning for a gathering of about 50 hackers,
> contributors, and other friends of the PostgreSQL project to celebrate the
> project's 10th anniversary, reflect on the work accomplished, establish new
> contacts, and plan for the future. The summit will feature speaker sessions,
> workshops, discussion groups, and social events. We are now looking for
> content proposals. Topics can include:
>
> - Development, how to and how not to
>
> - Features for the future (or of the past)
>
> - PostgreSQL-related research projects
>
> - Issues relating to the project's organization
>
> - PostgreSQL-related projects
>
> - Legal issues
>
> - Non-profit organizations
>
> - Advocacy, marketing
>
> - How to make PostgreSQL more appealing to $X
>
> - Business aspects
>
> - Other interesting event proposals such as discussions, contests, awards,
> question sessions, etc. will also be considered if you are prepared to
> organize them.
>
> There is considerable freedom in developing the program. Anything that is
> important to you, of interest to others, and of value to the project can be
> reasonable. But remember that this is a conference of PostgreSQL
> contributors, so user-level talks should normally not be submitted.
>
> Submissions and the actual sessions should be in English. Contributions
> should generally use time slots of 45 minutes, but feel free to specify
> otherwise if you have special requirements. We are also welcoming "lightning
> talks" of about 5 minutes.
>
> Send submissions to conference-submissions(at)lists(dot)pgfoundry(dot)org in free form,
> but include the following information:
>
> - your name
> - your e-mail address
> - title of your contribution
> - type of your contribution (talk, discussion, etc.)
> - abstract of up to 100 words (for publishing in the program)
> - extended description (for review by the organizers, not published)
>
> The deadline for submissions is March 31st.
>
> Speakers and other supporters of the conference program (exception: lightning
> talks) will be offered free registration. They will also be first in line to
> receive financial assistance, but we cannot guarantee any such thing at the
> moment, so be prepared to pay for your travel and accomodation.
>
>

Regards,
Oleg
_____________________________________________________________
Oleg Bartunov, Research Scientist, Head of AstroNet (www.astronet.ru),
Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University, Russia
Internet: oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/
phone: +007(495)939-16-83, +007(495)939-23-83


From: Chris Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org>
To: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-02 17:16:31
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oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su (Oleg Bartunov) writes:
> I'd need an invitation to get a visa. Is't possible ?

"Certainty" is difficult to promise, but there is a reasonable
population of relevant people here such that invitations can be
arranged.

In view of the fact that it can take a fair bit of time to arrange
visas, this is something we should watch for pretty early...

Now is not too early to be arranging for passports and visas...
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From: Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>
To: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Oleg Bartunov <oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-02 18:39:18
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Chris Browne wrote:
> oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su (Oleg Bartunov) writes:
> > I'd need an invitation to get a visa. Is't possible ?
>
> "Certainty" is difficult to promise, but there is a reasonable
> population of relevant people here such that invitations can be
> arranged.

I suggest that everyone who needs invitations or other documentation, be
it for arranging a visa or getting a day off work or whatever, write to
conference-plan(at)pgfoundry(dot)org and we'll work it out.

--
Peter Eisentraut
http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/


From: "Marc G(dot) Fournier" <scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org>
To: Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>
Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Oleg Bartunov <oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-02 19:35:47
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Just curious, but what is involved in these "invitations"? For instance,
is there a limit on # of invitations any one person(?) or company can
issue? Are there any legal implications of issuing such an invitation? I
could imagine some pretty hot water if "pre 9/11" someone were to invite
bin Laden to a conference, and had the twin towers go down while he was
here, for instance ...

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Peter Eisentraut wrote:

> Chris Browne wrote:
>> oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su (Oleg Bartunov) writes:
>>> I'd need an invitation to get a visa. Is't possible ?
>>
>> "Certainty" is difficult to promise, but there is a reasonable
>> population of relevant people here such that invitations can be
>> arranged.
>
> I suggest that everyone who needs invitations or other documentation, be
> it for arranging a visa or getting a day off work or whatever, write to
> conference-plan(at)pgfoundry(dot)org and we'll work it out.
>
> --
> Peter Eisentraut
> http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
>
> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
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> match
>

----
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From: Hannu Krosing <hannu(at)skype(dot)net>
To: "Marc G(dot) Fournier" <scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Cc: Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Oleg Bartunov <oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-02 19:46:40
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Ühel kenal päeval, N, 2006-03-02 kell 15:35, kirjutas Marc G. Fournier:
> Just curious, but what is involved in these "invitations"? For instance,
> is there a limit on # of invitations any one person(?) or company can
> issue? Are there any legal implications of issuing such an invitation?

Sure. The one who dares to invite anybody is called to an aeroport and
strip-searched as well, legal or not.

---------------
Hannu


From: Neil Conway <neilc(at)samurai(dot)com>
To: Peter Eisentraut <petere(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-02 20:38:07
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On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 11:51 +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> The PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit will take place on July 8 and 9, 2006, in
> Toronto, Canada. We are planning for a gathering of about 50 hackers,
> contributors, and other friends of the PostgreSQL project to celebrate the
> project's 10th anniversary, reflect on the work accomplished, establish new
> contacts, and plan for the future.

One thing I'd like to add: we're considering organizing a "code sprint"
for the days immediately following the conference. This would be an
opportunity for people interested in contributing to PostgreSQL to work
together in the same (large) room. I'm hoping that some of the major
contributors will be there, but anyone who's at the summit is welcome to
join us. We'll have a bunch of planned projects to work on, but I'd
encourage everyone to bring their own project ideas as well. You'll need
your own laptop, or have someone you can pair program with.

Before we go any farther organizing the sprint, I'd like to get an idea
how much interest there is. If you're likely to attend the summit and
would be interested in staying for the code sprint, please let me know.
You should include you how many days you'd be interested in sprinting
for (I'd like to do at least one day, and perhaps two).

Thanks,

Neil


From: Bruce Momjian <pgman(at)candle(dot)pha(dot)pa(dot)us>
To: Neil Conway <neilc(at)samurai(dot)com>
Cc: Peter Eisentraut <petere(at)postgresql(dot)org>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-02 20:40:32
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Yea, sure I would like to attend.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Neil Conway wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 11:51 +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> > The PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit will take place on July 8 and 9, 2006, in
> > Toronto, Canada. We are planning for a gathering of about 50 hackers,
> > contributors, and other friends of the PostgreSQL project to celebrate the
> > project's 10th anniversary, reflect on the work accomplished, establish new
> > contacts, and plan for the future.
>
> One thing I'd like to add: we're considering organizing a "code sprint"
> for the days immediately following the conference. This would be an
> opportunity for people interested in contributing to PostgreSQL to work
> together in the same (large) room. I'm hoping that some of the major
> contributors will be there, but anyone who's at the summit is welcome to
> join us. We'll have a bunch of planned projects to work on, but I'd
> encourage everyone to bring their own project ideas as well. You'll need
> your own laptop, or have someone you can pair program with.
>
> Before we go any farther organizing the sprint, I'd like to get an idea
> how much interest there is. If you're likely to attend the summit and
> would be interested in staying for the code sprint, please let me know.
> You should include you how many days you'd be interested in sprinting
> for (I'd like to do at least one day, and perhaps two).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Neil
>
>
>
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>

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From: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
To: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Cc: Neil Conway <neilc(at)samurai(dot)com>, Peter Eisentraut <petere(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-02 23:23:44
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FOlks,

> One thing I'd like to add: we're considering organizing a "code sprint"
> for the days immediately following the conference.

To add further. There will probably be a "code sprint" AT the conference
as well. Then Monday and Tuesday for an "extended code sprint". We're
still discussing it.

--
--Josh

Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco


From: Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org>
To: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-03 03:04:28
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The world rejoiced as scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org ("Marc G. Fournier") wrote:
> Just curious, but what is involved in these "invitations"? For
> instance, is there a limit on # of invitations any one person(?) or
> company can issue? Are there any legal implications of issuing such
> an invitation? I could imagine some pretty hot water if "pre 9/11"
> someone were to invite bin Laden to a conference, and had the twin
> towers go down while he was here, for instance ...

Here should be the authoritative information:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/visas.html
Countries/Territories Requiring Visas

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/letter.html
Letter of Invitation for Countries Whose Citizens Require a
Temporary Resident Visa to Enter Canada

If an .se address implies Swedish citizenship, there's good news;
Swedes don't need a visa to come to Canada. Ditto for pretty well all
of Western Europe, all of North America (including Mexico), and Japan.

I expect that most of those likely to need visas (and letters) will
hearken from Eastern Europe or Asia.

It's worth noting that whomever is providing that letter of invitation
has to be prepared to send, to our foreign friends, a photocopy of our
own Canadian birth certificate or some equivalent thereof.

Not to say that this is *spectacularly* intimate information, but I
daresay people would Not Be Pleased if such material got misused.

There is some fairness there; the requirements are nicely laid out,
and the "intimacies" go in both directions.

The other "pointy bit" is that the letter of invitation needs to
indicate the inviter's relationship to the person being invited. I
expect that would need to be a tad more specific than merely "he's
some guy from Sweden that I heard about on the Internet"...

What this all implies is that these Letters of Invitation do indeed
impose a certain degree of legal burden (whether highly formalized or
not) such that I'm sure NOT going to be heading to the printers so I
can send them out by the gross...
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From: Greg Stark <gsstark(at)mit(dot)edu>
To: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-03 04:06:52
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Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org> writes:

> Letter of Invitation for Countries Whose Citizens Require a
> Temporary Resident Visa to Enter Canada

I missed that this was happening up here in Canada. How exclusive is the guest
list for this? Like, are you only expecting 50 top contributors by invitation
only or is anyone who can make it welcome? What kind of costs are anticipated?

--
greg


From: Chris Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org>
To: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-03 05:27:31
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gsstark(at)mit(dot)edu (Greg Stark) writes:
> Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org> writes:
>
>> Letter of Invitation for Countries Whose Citizens Require a
>> Temporary Resident Visa to Enter Canada
>
> I missed that this was happening up here in Canada. How exclusive is
> the guest list for this? Like, are you only expecting 50 top
> contributors by invitation only or is anyone who can make it
> welcome? What kind of costs are anticipated?

It's not intended to be punitively high priced, so as to keep it
exclusive, but the more expensive you find it to travel to Toronto,
the more you'll find it costs, naturally... I'll probably grouse
about parking costs a bit, at some point, but I won't have a thousand
dollar plane ticket to pay for, to be sure... ;-)

I think there is some desire to have some amount of funding provided
for travel/accomodations based on what can be raised thru SPI; that's
certainly still a matter in flux. The answers aren't clear yet...
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From: Oleg Bartunov <oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su>
To: Chris Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org>
Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-03 06:07:06
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btw,

how expensive is to go to the Niagara waterfall from Toronto ?
I'd like to take an opportunity to see it.

Oleg

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Chris Browne wrote:

> gsstark(at)mit(dot)edu (Greg Stark) writes:
>> Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org> writes:
>>
>>> Letter of Invitation for Countries Whose Citizens Require a
>>> Temporary Resident Visa to Enter Canada
>>
>> I missed that this was happening up here in Canada. How exclusive is
>> the guest list for this? Like, are you only expecting 50 top
>> contributors by invitation only or is anyone who can make it
>> welcome? What kind of costs are anticipated?
>
> It's not intended to be punitively high priced, so as to keep it
> exclusive, but the more expensive you find it to travel to Toronto,
> the more you'll find it costs, naturally... I'll probably grouse
> about parking costs a bit, at some point, but I won't have a thousand
> dollar plane ticket to pay for, to be sure... ;-)
>
> I think there is some desire to have some amount of funding provided
> for travel/accomodations based on what can be raised thru SPI; that's
> certainly still a matter in flux. The answers aren't clear yet...
>

Regards,
Oleg
_____________________________________________________________
Oleg Bartunov, Research Scientist, Head of AstroNet (www.astronet.ru),
Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University, Russia
Internet: oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/
phone: +007(495)939-16-83, +007(495)939-23-83


From: "D'Arcy J(dot)M(dot) Cain" <darcy(at)druid(dot)net>
To: Oleg Bartunov <oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su>
Cc: cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-03 06:51:20
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On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:07:06 +0300 (MSK)
Oleg Bartunov <oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su> wrote:
> how expensive is to go to the Niagara waterfall from Toronto ?
> I'd like to take an opportunity to see it.

If you are driving, Niagara Falls is about one hour from Toronto. Cost is a tank of gas and parking. Looking at the falls is free. There are special tours like the Maid of the Mist (a boat that goes to the base of the falls) and a tour through the tunnels behind the falls which have some cost. Not a particularly expensive side trip.

Those of us who live here should think about some entertainment possibilities.

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From: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
To: Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org>
Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-03 13:42:00
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Christopher Browne wrote:

> Here should be the authoritative information:
>
> http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/visas.html
> Countries/Territories Requiring Visas
>
> http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/letter.html
> Letter of Invitation for Countries Whose Citizens Require a
> Temporary Resident Visa to Enter Canada

Wow, this is a great deal of burden that for sure I didn't have to do
last time :-( Not sure why, maybe the laws changed or something. It is
crystal clear that I have to do it this time however.

Thanks for the pointers. I'm looking forward to finding somebody who
wants to "sponsor" me on this issue ... or maybe get me a passport from
the Holy See.

> The other "pointy bit" is that the letter of invitation needs to
> indicate the inviter's relationship to the person being invited. I
> expect that would need to be a tad more specific than merely "he's
> some guy from Sweden that I heard about on the Internet"...

Rats :-(

--
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PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support


From: Csaba Nagy <nagy(at)ecircle-ag(dot)com>
To: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
Cc: Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org>, postgres hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-03 14:09:13
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> Wow, this is a great deal of burden that for sure I didn't have to do
> last time :-( Not sure why, maybe the laws changed or something. It is
> crystal clear that I have to do it this time however.

I think you're overreacting guys... I would first try and go to the
nearest Canadian embassy and try to get the visa. I bet in most of the
cases they will just issue it without any invitation letter and the
like... if not, only then worry about it ;-)

I'm also citizen from one of the countries (Romania) which require visas
to most of the world (or it required, the situation's relaxing in this
respect), and I never had any problems getting one. Or maybe it changed
after 9/11 ?

Cheers,
Csaba.


From: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
To: Csaba Nagy <nagy(at)ecircle-ag(dot)com>
Cc: Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org>, postgres hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-03 14:49:41
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Csaba Nagy wrote:
> > Wow, this is a great deal of burden that for sure I didn't have to do
> > last time :-( Not sure why, maybe the laws changed or something. It is
> > crystal clear that I have to do it this time however.
>
> I think you're overreacting guys... I would first try and go to the
> nearest Canadian embassy and try to get the visa. I bet in most of the
> cases they will just issue it without any invitation letter and the
> like... if not, only then worry about it ;-)

Yeah, you may be right, sorry. The .gc.ca page says "updated
2004-02-17" so it must be the same page that was in place when I
solicited the visa last year. However, the invitation letter was very
simple, didn't include any of the confidential information, and actually
it wasn't issued by a Canadian person at all! It was signed by the
EnterpriseDB guys.

--
Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support


From: "Luke Lonergan" <llonergan(at)greenplum(dot)com>
To: "Peter Eisentraut" <petere(at)postgresql(dot)org>, pgsql-announce(at)postgresql(dot)org, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for
Date: 2006-03-03 15:50:51
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Peter,

I'm asking our performance lead, Ayush Parashar, to develop a talk proposal
that will discuss performance of Postgres, including enhancements like the
on-disk bitmap index, sort improvements, etc. We'd also like to discuss the
business intelligence use-cases and where parallelism is applicable.

Where would such a talk fit in the program?

- Luke

On 3/1/06 2:51 AM, "Peter Eisentraut" <petere(at)postgresql(dot)org> wrote:

> PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit
> =============================
>
> Call for Contributions
> ----------------------


From: Greg Stark <gsstark(at)mit(dot)edu>
To: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
Cc: Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-03 17:28:06
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Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com> writes:

> Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> > http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/letter.html
> > Letter of Invitation for Countries Whose Citizens Require a
> > Temporary Resident Visa to Enter Canada
>
> Wow, this is a great deal of burden that for sure I didn't have to do
> last time :-( Not sure why, maybe the laws changed or something. It is
> crystal clear that I have to do it this time however.

Are you sure that "Temporary Resident Visa" is what you need?
Isn't the regular visa people get called just a "Guest Visa"?

--
greg


From: "Jim C(dot) Nasby" <jnasby(at)pervasive(dot)com>
To: Luke Lonergan <llonergan(at)greenplum(dot)com>
Cc: Peter Eisentraut <petere(at)postgresql(dot)org>, pgsql-announce(at)postgresql(dot)org, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for
Date: 2006-03-03 23:31:43
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On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 07:50:51AM -0800, Luke Lonergan wrote:
> Peter,
>
> I'm asking our performance lead, Ayush Parashar, to develop a talk proposal
> that will discuss performance of Postgres, including enhancements like the
> on-disk bitmap index, sort improvements, etc. We'd also like to discuss the
> business intelligence use-cases and where parallelism is applicable.
>
> Where would such a talk fit in the program?

On a related note, I'm wondering if there's any non-technical
business-oriented things folks would be interested in hearing about,
perhaps stuff relating to corporate support and use of PostgreSQL.
--
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Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117
vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461


From: Ned Lilly <ned(at)nedscape(dot)com>
To: "Jim C(dot) Nasby" <jnasby(at)pervasive(dot)com>
Cc: Luke Lonergan <llonergan(at)greenplum(dot)com>, Peter Eisentraut <petere(at)postgresql(dot)org>, pgsql-announce(at)postgresql(dot)org, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for
Date: 2006-03-04 01:57:32
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I'm interested in such a discussion, at least informally. I'd probably
even sit politely and listen to a presentation ;-)

Jim C. Nasby wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 07:50:51AM -0800, Luke Lonergan wrote:
>> Peter,
>>
>> I'm asking our performance lead, Ayush Parashar, to develop a talk proposal
>> that will discuss performance of Postgres, including enhancements like the
>> on-disk bitmap index, sort improvements, etc. We'd also like to discuss the
>> business intelligence use-cases and where parallelism is applicable.
>>
>> Where would such a talk fit in the program?
>
> On a related note, I'm wondering if there's any non-technical
> business-oriented things folks would be interested in hearing about,
> perhaps stuff relating to corporate support and use of PostgreSQL.


From: Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org>
To: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-04 02:50:45
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A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, gsstark(at)mit(dot)edu (Greg Stark) wrote:
> Are you sure that "Temporary Resident Visa" is what you need?
> Isn't the regular visa people get called just a "Guest Visa"?

That's possible too... It is probably a good idea to contact a local
Canadian embassy to see what they think will be required. This may be
"tilting over windmills" a bit.

Checking early is still a good idea, after all, if you haven't got a
passport, it may take some time to get that.
--
output = ("cbbrowne" "@" "gmail.com")
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is decidedly unattractive to people who see Python's minimalism as an
exercise in masochism." -- Peter Hickman, comp.lang.ruby


From: Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>
To: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Cc: Greg Stark <gsstark(at)mit(dot)edu>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-06 19:13:06
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Greg Stark wrote:
> I missed that this was happening up here in Canada. How exclusive is
> the guest list for this? Like, are you only expecting 50 top
> contributors by invitation only or is anyone who can make it welcome?

Everyone is hereby invited.

> What kind of costs are anticipated?

We don't know that yet. We're going to tell as soon as we have a
reliable calculation.

--
Peter Eisentraut
http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/


From: Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>
To: "Luke Lonergan" <llonergan(at)greenplum(dot)com>
Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-06 19:16:50
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Luke Lonergan wrote:
> I'm asking our performance lead, Ayush Parashar, to develop a talk
> proposal that will discuss performance of Postgres, including
> enhancements like the on-disk bitmap index, sort improvements, etc.
> We'd also like to discuss the business intelligence use-cases and
> where parallelism is applicable.

That sounds reasonable. Please feel free to use the published
submissions address to discuss your proposal if you're not sure about
it. But I must point out that everyone who copies replies to this
thread to the announce mailing list will be required to attend a
mandatory mailing list conduct seminar on Friday July 7, 20:00. :-)

--
Peter Eisentraut
http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/


From: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
To: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Cc: Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>, Greg Stark <gsstark(at)mit(dot)edu>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-07 07:45:55
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Greg,

> > What kind of costs are anticipated?
>
> We don't know that yet. We're going to tell as soon as we have a
> reliable calculation.

However, it's looking like registration will be around $175-$200 USD per
developer. Sponsorships may bring that down, but I'm not counting on it.

Accomodations will range between $50/night to $110 per night depending on
where you want to stay. Airfare is your own lookout; again, we're looking to
get help for airfare for important speakers coming from very far away, but I
don't have money in the bank yet.

--
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco


From: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
To: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>, Greg Stark <gsstark(at)mit(dot)edu>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-07 07:50:40
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Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> writes:
> Accomodations will range between $50/night to $110 per night depending on
> where you want to stay.

Sometime you ought to clue us in on where the event is being held.

regards, tom lane


From: Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>
To: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
Cc: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Greg Stark <gsstark(at)mit(dot)edu>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-07 08:54:40
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Am Dienstag, 7. März 2006 08:50 schrieb Tom Lane:
> Sometime you ought to clue us in on where the event is being held.

It's at Ryerson University in downtown Toronto. There will be a web site with
further information Real Soon Now.

--
Peter Eisentraut
http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/


From: Greg Stark <gsstark(at)mit(dot)edu>
To: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>, Greg Stark <gsstark(at)mit(dot)edu>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-07 16:04:45
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Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> writes:

> However, it's looking like registration will be around $175-$200 USD per
> developer. Sponsorships may bring that down, but I'm not counting on it.

I suppose that's about as cheap as one can expect for this kind of thing.

> Accomodations will range between $50/night to $110 per night depending on
> where you want to stay.

Uh oh, $50 sounds light for downtown; you aren't thinking of doing this
thing somewhere out in Toronto's nigh infinite suburbs are you?

(I have a personal reason for hoping it's downtown -- I have basically free
accomodations downtown:)

--
greg


From: Rod Taylor <pg(at)rbt(dot)ca>
To: Greg Stark <gsstark(at)mit(dot)edu>
Cc: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-07 16:26:35
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On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 11:04 -0500, Greg Stark wrote:
>
>
> Uh oh, $50 sounds light for downtown; you aren't thinking of doing
> this
> thing somewhere out in Toronto's nigh infinite suburbs are you?

The Bay Street Hotel has rooms for about $60/night and is located within
a 7 minute walk of Ryerson.

http://toronto.hotelguide.net/data/h100246.htm

But yes, a larger brandname hotel will be closer to the $200/night mark
and the luxury suites top out at about $5000/night.

In short, there is a fairly wide range of accommodations.
--


From: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
To: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-08 05:29:31
Message-ID: 200603072129.32314.josh@agliodbs.com
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People:

> > Uh oh, $50 sounds light for downtown; you aren't thinking of doing
> > this
> > thing somewhere out in Toronto's nigh infinite suburbs are you?

Since Ryerson is a university, they will rent us some dorm rooms for a cost
below that of nearby hotels for the budget-conscious.

BTW, the web site is up, it's just not fully populated yet:
conference.postgresql.org

--
--Josh

Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco


From: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
To: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Cc: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-10 18:58:52
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Alvaro,

> Thanks for the pointers. I'm looking forward to finding somebody who
> wants to "sponsor" me on this issue ... or maybe get me a passport from
> the Holy See.
>
> > The other "pointy bit" is that the letter of invitation needs to
> > indicate the inviter's relationship to the person being invited. I
> > expect that would need to be a tad more specific than merely "he's
> > some guy from Sweden that I heard about on the Internet"...
>
> Rats :-(

This isn't going to be a problem for you. We'll put your stuff in the
works; Andrew or Neil will have to invite you.

--
--Josh

Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco


From: "Marc G(dot) Fournier" <scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org>
To: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-10 19:16:10
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Just curious, but how do ppl come to Canada as tourists from other
countries? I don't imagine they need to be "invited" by a Canadian, do
they?

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Josh Berkus wrote:

> Alvaro,
>
>> Thanks for the pointers. I'm looking forward to finding somebody who
>> wants to "sponsor" me on this issue ... or maybe get me a passport from
>> the Holy See.
>>
>>> The other "pointy bit" is that the letter of invitation needs to
>>> indicate the inviter's relationship to the person being invited. I
>>> expect that would need to be a tad more specific than merely "he's
>>> some guy from Sweden that I heard about on the Internet"...
>>
>> Rats :-(
>
> This isn't going to be a problem for you. We'll put your stuff in the
> works; Andrew or Neil will have to invite you.
>
> --
> --Josh
>
> Josh Berkus
> Aglio Database Solutions
> San Francisco
>
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Email: scrappy(at)hub(dot)org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664


From: Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org>
To: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-11 15:39:04
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Quoth scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org ("Marc G. Fournier"):
> Just curious, but how do ppl come to Canada as tourists from other
> countries? I don't imagine they need to be "invited" by a Canadian,
> do they?

Well, the "invitation" thing doesn't apply at all to people from North
America or Western Europe; it's generally just applicable to those
coming from Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe, and South America.

Much of those regions represent "developing countries," where the
notion of "middle class" is emerging as opposed to being a mature
thing.

Absent of "middle class," you generally have the other two ends,
namely lower-lower class, who can't conceivably afford to be
"tourists," and "upper class," who can certainly arrange invitations
(if not diplomatic status :-) !).

In my lifetime, the world has quite changed. Thirty years ago, the
only way Russians would be coming to Canada would be under pretty
strict scrutiny of the apparatus of the former Soviet Union, which
would definitely elicit suspicion. Either you'd be of
governmental/diplomatic status, an athlete/performer, or, well, quite
likely you're an undeclared spy...

It's quite an enormous change for relatively ordinary people (well, if
they're working on PostgreSQL, they've got to be at least a little
extraordinary! ;-)) to be "just visiting" from such places.
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From: Oleg Bartunov <oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su>
To: Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org>
Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-11 16:40:28
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It's still not easy to come from Russia to Canada. I have to convince
officer in canadian embassy that

1) I have enough money for living in Canada
2) I don't want to immigrate
3) I'm a loyal citizen

Invitation from conference commitee could help me to get an official letter
from my institute to embassy (1,2). But we still have 3)
I should get references for all members of my family from our police
department that we're not criminals :) There is no united database, so I
should get references from all places I live ! This is awful and I'm about
to give up, even if I'd be able to afford tickets.

Oleg

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006, Christopher Browne wrote:

> Quoth scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org ("Marc G. Fournier"):
>> Just curious, but how do ppl come to Canada as tourists from other
>> countries? I don't imagine they need to be "invited" by a Canadian,
>> do they?
>
> Well, the "invitation" thing doesn't apply at all to people from North
> America or Western Europe; it's generally just applicable to those
> coming from Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe, and South America.
>
> Much of those regions represent "developing countries," where the
> notion of "middle class" is emerging as opposed to being a mature
> thing.
>
> Absent of "middle class," you generally have the other two ends,
> namely lower-lower class, who can't conceivably afford to be
> "tourists," and "upper class," who can certainly arrange invitations
> (if not diplomatic status :-) !).
>
> In my lifetime, the world has quite changed. Thirty years ago, the
> only way Russians would be coming to Canada would be under pretty
> strict scrutiny of the apparatus of the former Soviet Union, which
> would definitely elicit suspicion. Either you'd be of
> governmental/diplomatic status, an athlete/performer, or, well, quite
> likely you're an undeclared spy...
>
> It's quite an enormous change for relatively ordinary people (well, if
> they're working on PostgreSQL, they've got to be at least a little
> extraordinary! ;-)) to be "just visiting" from such places.
>

Regards,
Oleg
_____________________________________________________________
Oleg Bartunov, Research Scientist, Head of AstroNet (www.astronet.ru),
Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University, Russia
Internet: oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/
phone: +007(495)939-16-83, +007(495)939-23-83


From: "Marc G(dot) Fournier" <scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org>
To: Oleg Bartunov <oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su>
Cc: Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
Date: 2006-03-12 09:59:04
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2006, Oleg Bartunov wrote:

> It's still not easy to come from Russia to Canada. I have to convince
> officer in canadian embassy that
>
> 1) I have enough money for living in Canada
> 2) I don't want to immigrate
> 3) I'm a loyal citizen
>
> Invitation from conference commitee could help me to get an official letter
> from my institute to embassy (1,2). But we still have 3)
> I should get references for all members of my family from our police
> department that we're not criminals :) There is no united database, so I
> should get references from all places I live ! This is awful and I'm about
> to give up, even if I'd be able to afford tickets.

Yowch! I know it must have improved somewhat since (doesn't it?),
post-Cold War Russia was well painted in the media as 'corrupt and heavy
crime rate' side of things (news rarely reports the good, since the bad is
what sells) ... and none of *that* helps make, *at least* 2 in the above
any easier ;(

>
> Oleg
>
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2006, Christopher Browne wrote:
>
>> Quoth scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org ("Marc G. Fournier"):
>>> Just curious, but how do ppl come to Canada as tourists from other
>>> countries? I don't imagine they need to be "invited" by a Canadian,
>>> do they?
>>
>> Well, the "invitation" thing doesn't apply at all to people from North
>> America or Western Europe; it's generally just applicable to those
>> coming from Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe, and South America.
>>
>> Much of those regions represent "developing countries," where the
>> notion of "middle class" is emerging as opposed to being a mature
>> thing.
>>
>> Absent of "middle class," you generally have the other two ends,
>> namely lower-lower class, who can't conceivably afford to be
>> "tourists," and "upper class," who can certainly arrange invitations
>> (if not diplomatic status :-) !).
>>
>> In my lifetime, the world has quite changed. Thirty years ago, the
>> only way Russians would be coming to Canada would be under pretty
>> strict scrutiny of the apparatus of the former Soviet Union, which
>> would definitely elicit suspicion. Either you'd be of
>> governmental/diplomatic status, an athlete/performer, or, well, quite
>> likely you're an undeclared spy...
>>
>> It's quite an enormous change for relatively ordinary people (well, if
>> they're working on PostgreSQL, they've got to be at least a little
>> extraordinary! ;-)) to be "just visiting" from such places.
>>
>
> Regards,
> Oleg
> _____________________________________________________________
> Oleg Bartunov, Research Scientist, Head of AstroNet (www.astronet.ru),
> Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University, Russia
> Internet: oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/
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From: "Josh Berkus" <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
To: Oleg Bartunov <oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su>,Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)acm(dot)org>
Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for
Date: 2006-03-12 19:08:16
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Oleg,

> Invitation from conference commitee could help me to get an official
> letter
> from my institute to embassy (1,2). But we still have 3)
> I should get references for all members of my family from our police
> department that we're not criminals :) There is no united database,
> so I should get references from all places I live ! This is awful and
> I'm about
> to give up, even if I'd be able to afford tickets.

Can we take this to an appropriate place to deal with it, rather than
the -Hackers list? Like -advocacy?

Of course we, the conference organizers will do what we can to help you
come over to the conference. I take it that you need that invitation
letter sooner rather than later?

--Josh

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