Re: Question about crossing the pond.

Hello,

I have been threatening to make my presence known on the other side of
the pond for some time. The only thing that has stopped me is that I
haven't bothered to get a passport. That is changing. I am attempting
to figure out how I will do PGDay.IT/PGCon.EU and WEST (they happen
within a week of each other).

So my question is, if I get a Visa to Italy? Am I stuck in Italy until
I come back to the US? Or can I take a road trip up to France? If I am
allowed to cross borders, is Italy the place to try and get a Visa?
Should I try Britian instead or Germany instead?

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 07:52:34AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have been threatening to make my presence known on the other side
> of the pond for some time. The only thing that has stopped me is
> that I haven't bothered to get a passport. That is changing.

Do that immediately, like *today* if you haven't already.

> I am attempting to figure out how I will do PGDay.IT/PGCon.EU and
> WEST (they happen within a week of each other).
>
> So my question is, if I get a Visa to Italy? Am I stuck in Italy
> until I come back to the US? Or can I take a road trip up to France?
> If I am allowed to cross borders, is Italy the place to try and get
> a Visa? Should I try Britian instead or Germany instead?

At this point, you don't, as a US citizen, need a visa to enter any
country in the EU.

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:56:13 -0700
David Fetter <david(at)fetter(dot)org> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 07:52:34AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have been threatening to make my presence known on the other side
> > of the pond for some time. The only thing that has stopped me is
> > that I haven't bothered to get a passport. That is changing.
>
> Do that immediately, like *today* if you haven't already.

Well it will have to wait until next week as I am on my way to
Bellingham.

> At this point, you don't, as a US citizen, need a visa to enter any
> country in the EU.

Just to be clear are you saying I *only* need my passport?

Joshua D. Drake

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Joshua,

> So my question is, if I get a Visa to Italy? Am I stuck in Italy until
> I come back to the US? Or can I take a road trip up to France? If I am
> allowed to cross borders, is Italy the place to try and get a Visa?
> Should I try Britian instead or Germany instead?

within Europe borders are open. you can travel from Italy to Germany
or France and every other country in Europe. I am quite sure you do
not need a visa if you are US-citizen.

Best wishes, & welcome to Europe,

Harald

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Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have been threatening to make my presence known on the other side of
> the pond for some time. The only thing that has stopped me is that I
> haven't bothered to get a passport. That is changing. I am attempting
> to figure out how I will do PGDay.IT/PGCon.EU and WEST (they happen
> within a week of each other).

Whoa. Dammit, now I have to clean the coffee off the table...

> So my question is, if I get a Visa to Italy? Am I stuck in Italy until
> I come back to the US? Or can I take a road trip up to France? If I am
> allowed to cross borders, is Italy the place to try and get a Visa?
> Should I try Britian instead or Germany instead?

No visa needed for the EU for americans, AFAIK. And even if it is, you
need a Schengen Visa which will allow you access throughout all the
Schengen countries (which is pretty much all the EU countries)

//Magnus

Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > At this point, you don't, as a US citizen, need a visa to enter any
> > country in the EU.
>
> Just to be clear are you saying I *only* need my passport?

No, you will also need a ticket.

//Magnus

> > At this point, you don't, as a US citizen, need a visa to enter any
> > country in the EU.
>
> Just to be clear are you saying I *only* need my passport?
exactly. Read all the details at http://europa.eu/abc/travel/doc/index_en.htm

best wishes,

Harald

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Magnus,

> > Just to be clear are you saying I *only* need my passport?
> No, you will also need a ticket.
>
> //Magnus

that is wrong, he can also swim, like others tried before.

Harald

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:01:14 +0200
Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net> wrote:

> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > > At this point, you don't, as a US citizen, need a visa to enter
> > > any country in the EU.
> >
> > Just to be clear are you saying I *only* need my passport?
>
> No, you will also need a ticket.

Just for that I am charging *you* for the first class ticket.

Joshua D. Drake

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On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net> wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > > At this point, you don't, as a US citizen, need a visa to enter any
> > > country in the EU.
> >
> > Just to be clear are you saying I *only* need my passport?
>
> No, you will also need a ticket.

Coffee hit the screen that time. Yuck.

:-)

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Magnus Hagander ha scritto:
> No, you will also need a ticket.

:D

I am pretty confident you do not need anything if it is for tourism. You
are allowed to travel around Europe for up to 90 days. I might be wrong,
but I am pretty sure it is all based on a mutual agreement between EU
and the US (I do not need a visa to visit the States for instance).

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:03:11 +0100
Jean-Paul Argudo <jean-paul(at)postgresqlfr(dot)org> wrote:

> In both sides, you'll have a 3 months limit for your trip. And you can
> do that twice a year as a maximum without visa.

Hmmm... that's six months. So if I wanted to spend the whole summer in
Europe, where would I spend it?

>
> If you need to stay more that 3 months twice a year in any of the Eu
> countries, you'll need at least a Schengen Visa, or any national visa
> from any Eu country.
>
> See you @ ottawa :)
>

Actually you won't :).

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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Hi Joshua,

>> At this point, you don't, as a US citizen, need a visa to enter any
>> country in the EU.
>
> Just to be clear are you saying I *only* need my passport?

Yes. US Citizens doesn't need any visa for tripping around Europe.
Neither Europeans need a visa to trip in the US.

In both sides, you'll have a 3 months limit for your trip. And you can
do that twice a year as a maximum without visa.

If you need to stay more that 3 months twice a year in any of the Eu
countries, you'll need at least a Schengen Visa, or any national visa
from any Eu country.

See you @ ottawa :)

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> Joshua,
>
>> So my question is, if I get a Visa to Italy? Am I stuck in Italy until
>> I come back to the US? Or can I take a road trip up to France? If I am
>> allowed to cross borders, is Italy the place to try and get a Visa?
>> Should I try Britian instead or Germany instead?
>
> within Europe borders are open. you can travel from Italy to Germany
> or France and every other country in Europe. I am quite sure you do
> not need a visa if you are US-citizen.
>
> Best wishes, & welcome to Europe,

Please substitute "EU (and a few other countries)" for "Europe" in the above.

If you plan to visit any non-EU countries, you should check their rules
separately.

hi Joshua,

> Hmmm... that's six months.

Yep, 3x2 is 6. ;-)

> So if I wanted to spend the whole summer in Europe, where would I spend it?

South France, Riviera, of course! :-)

Note that Prato, Fiorenza and the whole region there is a must too.

>> See you @ ottawa :)
> Actually you won't :).

Don't tell me you won't be there! You must go there.

I was planning to talk with you and Selena about PG-US / PG-EU,
Certification (you only?) and so on...

Cheers,

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Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have been threatening to make my presence known on the other side of
> the pond for some time. The only thing that has stopped me is that I
> haven't bothered to get a passport. That is changing. I am attempting
> to figure out how I will do PGDay.IT/PGCon.EU and WEST (they happen
> within a week of each other).
>
> So my question is, if I get a Visa to Italy? Am I stuck in Italy until
> I come back to the US? Or can I take a road trip up to France? If I am
> allowed to cross borders, is Italy the place to try and get a Visa?
> Should I try Britian instead or Germany instead?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Joshua D. Drake
>
>

it should be no problem for you at all.
all you need is to fill out a landing card. but, no worries - the EU
landing card is not half as stupid as the US one :).
last time i went to the state i signed this landing to clarify that my 2
year old son was not a member of the NAZI army and that he has no
training in handling nuclear weapons :).

so, no worries - we have some freedom left over here ...

hans

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On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 08:07:26PM +0200, Hans-Juergen Schoenig wrote:

> all you need is to fill out a landing card. but, no worries - the EU
> landing card is not half as stupid as the US one :). last time i
> went to the state i signed this landing to clarify that my 2 year
> old son was not a member of the NAZI army and that he has no
> training in handling nuclear weapons :).

Now that the Soviet Union is no more, the United States has taken over
as Most Obnoxious Destination You're Likely to Visit :P

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On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Hans-Juergen Schoenig <hs(at)cybertec(dot)at> wrote:

> so, no worries - we have some freedom left over here ...

You haven't been to the UK in a while have you?

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:45:51 +0100
Jean-Paul Argudo <jean-paul(at)postgresqlfr(dot)org> wrote:

> Don't tell me you won't be there! You must go there.

I won't be. It happens during my daughters birthdays.

> I was planning to talk with you and Selena about PG-US / PG-EU,
> Certification (you only?) and so on...

Selena is not part of the Certification project. You are welcome to
talk to me of course :) as well as publicly on the list.

Joshua D. Drake

>
> Cheers,
>

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:22:34 +0100
"Dave Page" <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Hans-Juergen Schoenig
> <hs(at)cybertec(dot)at> wrote:
>
> > so, no worries - we have some freedom left over here ...
>
> You haven't been to the UK in a while have you?
>

The UK, where everybody knows that everybody is watching you.
The US, where we pretend we don't know that everybody is watching you.

Joshua D. Drake

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Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:22:34 +0100
> "Dave Page" <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org> wrote:
>
>
>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Hans-Juergen Schoenig
>> <hs(at)cybertec(dot)at> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> so, no worries - we have some freedom left over here ...
>>>
>> You haven't been to the UK in a while have you?
>>
>>

No, just for some stop in Heathrow.
I like to eat, so the UK is no option :).

>
> The UK, where everybody knows that everybody is watching you.
>

True :)

> The US, where we pretend we don't know that everybody is watching you
>

True words :).
I have to add one more: Austria, the place where everybody is too lazy
to watch you if you are poor and the place where earning money is a
crime :).

hans

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Gabriele Bartolini wrote:
> I am pretty confident you do not need anything if it is for tourism. You
> are allowed to travel around Europe for up to 90 days. I might be wrong,
> but I am pretty sure it is all based on a mutual agreement between EU
> and the US (I do not need a visa to visit the States for instance).
>
Just side note - I don't think there is mutual agreement as you need
visa to visit USA from some countries which are in EU (and Schengen), my
country included.

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Hi,

On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 08:34 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> do that twice a year as a maximum without visa.
>
> Hmmm... that's six months. So if I wanted to spend the whole summer in
> Europe, where would I spend it?

/me waves Joshua :)

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