Re: Enabling Checksums

From: Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
To: Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
Cc: Greg Smith <greg(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Andres Freund <andres(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Ants Aasma <ants(at)cybertec(dot)at>, Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnakangas(at)vmware(dot)com>, Jeff Davis <pgsql(at)j-davis(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Enabling Checksums
Date: 2013-03-18 19:06:18
Message-ID: 20130318190618.GD16641@momjian.us
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On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 06:24:37PM +0000, Simon Riggs wrote:
> On 18 March 2013 17:52, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 05:50:11PM -0700, Greg Smith wrote:
> >> As long as the feature is off by default, so that people have to
> >> turn it on to hit the biggest changed code paths, the exposure to
> >> potential bugs doesn't seem too bad. New WAL data is no fun, but
> >> it's not like this hasn't happened before.
> >
> > With a potential 10-20% overhead,
>
> ... for some workloads.
>
>
> > I am unclear who would enable this at initdb time.
>
> Anybody that cares a lot about their data.
>
> > I assume a user would wait until they suspected corruption to turn it
> > on, and because it is only initdb-enabled, they would have to
> > dump/reload their cluster. The open question is whether this is a
> > usable feature as written, or whether we should wait until 9.4.
>
> When two experienced technical users tell us this is important and
> that they will use it, we should listen.
>
>
> > In fact, this feature is going to need
> > pg_upgrade changes to detect from pg_controldata that the old/new
> > clusters have the same checksum setting.
>
> I don't see any way they can differ.
>
> pg_upgrade and checksums don't mix, in this patch, at least.

Jeff has already addressed the issue in the patch, e.g. if someone
initdb's the new cluster with checksums.

I am now fine with the patch based on the feedback I received. I needed
to hear that the initdb limitation and the new performance numbers still
produced a useful feature.

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Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> http://momjian.us
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