Re: Application/wiki wanted for Beta/Alpha testing

WWW team,

I would like a postgresql.org web application or wiki template to track
user alpha and beta testing. It should have the following spec:

-- users should use community login
-- should require the following data:
-- version (e.g. 8.5 alpha 1), from list
-- date tested (autofill from today)
-- installation method (from list)
-- OS (from list)
-- Server description (freeform)
-- should allow entering the following information as freeform text:
-- one to several tests performed, with
a. application tested
b. feature(s) tested
c. result(s)
-- comments
-- should allow comments by other users

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On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 15:41 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
> WWW team,
>
> I would like a postgresql.org web application or wiki template to track
> user alpha and beta testing. It should have the following spec:

Shouldn't there be a consensus from -hackers first?

Oh and... go for it man. I know you can code a bit.

Joshua D. Drake

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> Shouldn't there be a consensus from -hackers first?

On what? There's no disagreement that we want to track alpha & beta
testing in the field.

> Oh and... go for it man. I know you can code a bit.

Heh, that's a good idea. Sending in my PHP would be an assured way to
get Magnus or Stefan to do it instead. ;-)

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On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 16:53 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > Shouldn't there be a consensus from -hackers first?
>
> On what? There's no disagreement that we want to track alpha & beta
> testing in the field.
>
> > Oh and... go for it man. I know you can code a bit.
>
> Heh, that's a good idea. Sending in my PHP would be an assured way to
> get Magnus or Stefan to do it instead. ;-)

Hah! Well if I do it, it won't be in PHP anyway. It would be in Python.
Likely Django since that is what planet is written in (although I would
rather use other Python stuff).

What do you think guys? Stand alone app or should we work it into
overall infrastructure?

Joshua D. Drake

>
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2009/9/9 Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>:
> On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 16:53 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> > Shouldn't there be a consensus from -hackers first?
>>
>> On what?  There's no disagreement that we want to track alpha & beta
>> testing in the field.
>>
>> > Oh and... go for it man. I know you can code a bit.
>>
>> Heh, that's a good idea.  Sending in my PHP would be an assured way to
>> get Magnus or Stefan to do it instead.  ;-)
>
> Hah! Well if I do it, it won't be in PHP anyway. It would be in Python.
> Likely Django since that is what planet is written in (although I would
> rather use other Python stuff).
>
> What do you think guys? Stand alone app or should we work it into
> overall infrastructure?

If it's needed urgently, standalone but designed to integrate (yes,
you mention the keyword above - make it a django app).

If it can wait a while, integrated.

I'm working on some infrastructure changes around that one ATM, and if
those turn out to be what we want, we shouldn't invest more in the
current framework. I expect to have something ready for testing fairly
soon, but any full migration there is obviously not going to be
instant.

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Magnus Hagander wrote:

> I'm working on some infrastructure changes around that one ATM, and if
> those turn out to be what we want, we shouldn't invest more in the
> current framework. I expect to have something ready for testing fairly
> soon, but any full migration there is obviously not going to be
> instant.

So the new site is going to use Django?

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On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 18:00 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote:
> 2009/9/9 Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>:
> > On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 16:53 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
> >> > Shouldn't there be a consensus from -hackers first?
> >>
> >> On what? There's no disagreement that we want to track alpha & beta
> >> testing in the field.
> >>
> >> > Oh and... go for it man. I know you can code a bit.
> >>
> >> Heh, that's a good idea. Sending in my PHP would be an assured way to
> >> get Magnus or Stefan to do it instead. ;-)
> >
> > Hah! Well if I do it, it won't be in PHP anyway. It would be in Python.
> > Likely Django since that is what planet is written in (although I would
> > rather use other Python stuff).
> >
> > What do you think guys? Stand alone app or should we work it into
> > overall infrastructure?
>
> If it's needed urgently, standalone but designed to integrate (yes,
> you mention the keyword above - make it a django app).
>
> If it can wait a while, integrated.
>
> I'm working on some infrastructure changes around that one ATM, and if
> those turn out to be what we want, we shouldn't invest more in the
> current framework. I expect to have something ready for testing fairly
> soon, but any full migration there is obviously not going to be
> instant.

Well at a minimum I would want to use the same auth modules etc... that
you are using for planet.

Joshua D. Drake

>
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On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 18:43, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
> Magnus Hagander wrote:
>
>> I'm working on some infrastructure changes around that one ATM, and if
>> those turn out to be what we want, we shouldn't invest more in the
>> current framework. I expect to have something ready for testing fairly
>> soon, but any full migration there is obviously not going to be
>> instant.
>
> So the new site is going to use Django?

The stuff I'm working on does, yes. That doesn't necessarily mean the
site will. When it's ready enough, I'll put it up for discussion, and
the web team will decide if it's better than what we have now, and if
it's going in the right direction. That's certainly not up to me to
decide alone.

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On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 18:52, Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 18:00 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote:
>> If it's needed urgently, standalone but designed to integrate (yes,
>> you mention the keyword above - make it a django app).
>>
>> If it can wait a while, integrated.
>>
>> I'm working on some infrastructure changes around that one ATM, and if
>> those turn out to be what we want, we shouldn't invest more in the
>> current framework. I expect to have something ready for testing fairly
>> soon, but any full migration there is obviously not going to be
>> instant.
>
> Well at a minimum I would want to use the same auth modules etc... that
> you are using for planet.

If it's django, that can be done.

There are also modules available in PHP (the wiki) and perl
(commitfest), so that in itself doesn't lock you into that.

But we certainly don't want yet another framework, so if it's done in
PHP it shoul duse the current web framework and if it's in perl it
should use whatever the commitfest stuff uses. In fact, it could
potentially be built as part of the commitfest system if wanted -
there's at least a partial connection between those two :-)

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On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 20:12 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote:

> But we certainly don't want yet another framework, so if it's done in
> PHP it shoul duse the current web framework and if it's in perl it
> should use whatever the commitfest stuff uses. In fact, it could
> potentially be built as part of the commitfest system if wanted -
> there's at least a partial connection between those two :-)

It will not be me doing this if it is Perl.

Joshua D. Drake

>
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On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Joshua D. Drake<jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 20:12 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote:
>
>> But we certainly don't want yet another framework, so if it's done in
>> PHP it shoul duse the current web framework and if it's in perl it
>> should use whatever the commitfest stuff uses. In fact, it could
>> potentially be built as part of the commitfest system if wanted -
>> there's at least a partial connection between those two :-)
>
> It will not be me doing this if it is Perl.

I wouldn't necessarily be averse to implementing something like this
as part of the commitfest app at some point. But I wonder if it
wouldn't be better to start by just using a wikitable. A lot of times
doing it the quick-and-dirty way first causes you to learn new things
about the requirements, and a wikitable is a lot easier to modify
after-the-fact than a full app.

...Robert

On Thursday, September 10, 2009, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Joshua D. Drake<jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 20:12 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote:
>>
>>> But we certainly don't want yet another framework, so if it's done in
>>> PHP it shoul duse the current web framework and if it's in perl it
>>> should use whatever the commitfest stuff uses. In fact, it could
>>> potentially be built as part of the commitfest system if wanted -
>>> there's at least a partial connection between those two :-)
>>
>> It will not be me doing this if it is Perl.
>
> I wouldn't necessarily be averse to implementing something like this
> as part of the commitfest app at some point.  But I wonder if it
> wouldn't be better to start by just using a wikitable.  A lot of times
> doing it the quick-and-dirty way first causes you to learn new things
> about the requirements, and a wikitable is a lot easier to modify
> after-the-fact than a full app.
>

+1.

/Magnus

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>> I wouldn't necessarily be averse to implementing something like this
>> as part of the commitfest app at some point. But I wonder if it
>> wouldn't be better to start by just using a wikitable. A lot of times
>> doing it the quick-and-dirty way first causes you to learn new things
>> about the requirements, and a wikitable is a lot easier to modify
>> after-the-fact than a full app.

Well, just raw wiki wouldn't be palatable. We're talking about
enlisting testers who aren't necessarily regular www.postgresql.org
contributors, so anything which requires them to be fiddly about
punctuation and formatting is going to be a failure. The goal here is
to make it very very easy for people to report alpha/beta tests so that
they do so.

I would plan to, eventually, write an e-mail parser as well so that ...
hmmm.

You know, report by e-mail would be relatively easy. In fact, easier
than a webapp. And it would allow for several rapid generations of
changing the data collected.

Can I just have a pgsql-testers(at)postgresql(dot)org mailing list, and I'll
do the rest for the first round?

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On 9/10/09 10:34 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Can I just have a pgsql-testers(at)postgresql(dot)org mailing list, and I'll
> do the rest for the first round?

Hello? Hello? Is this thing on?

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On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 10:50 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
> On 9/10/09 10:34 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > Can I just have a pgsql-testers(at)postgresql(dot)org mailing list, and I'll
> > do the rest for the first round?
>
> Hello? Hello? Is this thing on?
>

You need to cc marc directly and probably the sysadmins list too.

Joshua D. Drake

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Sorry, didn't see this, but only because it was mixed in with the above
subject ...

Created now ... let me know if you have any problems ...

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Josh Berkus wrote:

> On 9/10/09 10:34 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> Can I just have a pgsql-testers(at)postgresql(dot)org mailing list, and I'll
>> do the rest for the first round?
>
> Hello? Hello? Is this thing on?
>
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Nah, just change the subject from a long running thread to something that
stands out ...

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 10:50 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> On 9/10/09 10:34 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:
>>> Can I just have a pgsql-testers(at)postgresql(dot)org mailing list, and I'll
>>> do the rest for the first round?
>>
>> Hello? Hello? Is this thing on?
>>
>
> You need to cc marc directly and probably the sysadmins list too.
>
> Joshua D. Drake
>
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>> www.pgexperts.com
>>
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