Re: More Red Hat information

I guess I prefer my free software free...

On Monday 25 June 2001 12:19, Gunnar Rønning wrote:
> * David Wheeler <David(at)Wheeler(dot)net> wrote:
> | > http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/
> |
> | $2225 ???? Are they *kidding*???
>
> Too cheap for you ? try Oracle pay more - get less ;-)
>
> Sorry couldn't resist.

Here is a link with more information than the press release:

http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/

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On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Here is a link with more information than the press release:
>
> http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/

$2225 ???? Are they *kidding*???

David

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* David Wheeler <David(at)Wheeler(dot)net> wrote:

| >
| > http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/
|
| $2225 ???? Are they *kidding*???
|

Too cheap for you ? try Oracle pay more - get less ;-)

Sorry couldn't resist.

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On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, webb sprague wrote:

> I guess I prefer my free software free...

Agreed, but alot of companies want to be able to point a finger at
someone or some company when something goes awry. With RH being
the first to put out PostgreSQL with an operating system that I would
assume was fine tuned for best performance by those that know the
OS very well and possibly even include some tools along with it, I'd
think their offering would be well received in the small to medium
sized business community.

Vince.
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Then keep using it free. And the people whose management can't fathom the
idea of using a serious application without an expensive support contract to
fall back on might finally be interested in PostgreSQL. I can't see this as
anything but win-win...

Greg

> I guess I prefer my free software free...
>
>
>
> On Monday 25 June 2001 12:19, Gunnar Rønning wrote:
> > * David Wheeler <David(at)Wheeler(dot)net> wrote:
> > | > http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/
> > |
> > | $2225 ???? Are they *kidding*???
> >
> > Too cheap for you ? try Oracle pay more - get less ;-)
> >
> > Sorry couldn't resist.

> On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, webb sprague wrote:
>
> > I guess I prefer my free software free...
>
> Agreed, but alot of companies want to be able to point a finger at
> someone or some company when something goes awry. With RH being
> the first to put out PostgreSQL with an operating system that I would
> assume was fine tuned for best performance by those that know the
> OS very well and possibly even include some tools along with it, I'd
> think their offering would be well received in the small to medium
> sized business community.

Heck, I pay ~400/year for BSD/OS support on my home machine because when
I have a complex problem, I need someone to concentrate on getting it
solved, so commerical support isn't just for finger-pointing.

The $400/year has been worth it for me so I suspect there are PostgreSQL
users that need such support too.

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On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> > On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, webb sprague wrote:
> >
> > > I guess I prefer my free software free...
> >
> > Agreed, but alot of companies want to be able to point a finger at
> > someone or some company when something goes awry. With RH being
> > the first to put out PostgreSQL with an operating system that I would
> > assume was fine tuned for best performance by those that know the
> > OS very well and possibly even include some tools along with it, I'd
> > think their offering would be well received in the small to medium
> > sized business community.
>
> Heck, I pay ~400/year for BSD/OS support on my home machine because when
> I have a complex problem, I need someone to concentrate on getting it
> solved, so commerical support isn't just for finger-pointing.
>
> The $400/year has been worth it for me so I suspect there are PostgreSQL
> users that need such support too.

I didn't mean someone to blame, I meant someone to call.

Vince.
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> > Heck, I pay ~400/year for BSD/OS support on my home machine because when
> > I have a complex problem, I need someone to concentrate on getting it
> > solved, so commerical support isn't just for finger-pointing.
> >
> > The $400/year has been worth it for me so I suspect there are PostgreSQL
> > users that need such support too.
>
> I didn't mean someone to blame, I meant someone to call.

Oh, yea, that too. :-)

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* webb sprague <wsprague(at)o1(dot)com> wrote:
|
| I guess I prefer my free software free...
|

Yes I do as well, but this only increases your freedom of choice.
IMHO that is what free software really is about, and not the fact that you
also can download it gratis.

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At 8:57 -0700 2001-06-25, David Wheeler wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
>> Here is a link with more information than the press release:
>>
>> http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/
>
>$2225 ???? Are they *kidding*???

If they really deliver, i.e. you get reasonable phone+email support
from people who can actually _do_something_ instead of giving you the
runaround (phoned M$ tech support lately with a _real_ bug report?
*), it's cheap as dirt as databases go.

*: Oops, sorry, of course M$ doesn't have bugs. They might have
"issues". Or "features".
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Matthias Urlichs wrote:

> At 8:57 -0700 2001-06-25, David Wheeler wrote:
> >On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >
> >> Here is a link with more information than the press release:
> >>
> >> http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/
> >
> >$2225 ???? Are they *kidding*???
>
> If they really deliver, i.e. you get reasonable phone+email support
> from people who can actually _do_something_ instead of giving you the
> runaround (phoned M$ tech support lately with a _real_ bug report?
> *), it's cheap as dirt as databases go.

M$ is a good example, as their database is quite capable, and costs only a
few hundred bucks (last time I looked). If RedHat DB is three times the
price, IME many PHBs will go with SQL Server, instead, just because it's
cheaper, and they know the Microsoft name (and FUD).

David

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On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 07:41:29AM -0700, David Wheeler wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>
> > At 8:57 -0700 2001-06-25, David Wheeler wrote:
> > >On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > >
> > >> Here is a link with more information than the press release:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/
> > >
> > >$2225 ???? Are they *kidding*???
> >
> > If they really deliver, i.e. you get reasonable phone+email support
> > from people who can actually _do_something_ instead of giving you the
> > runaround (phoned M$ tech support lately with a _real_ bug report?
> > *), it's cheap as dirt as databases go.
>
> M$ is a good example, as their database is quite capable, and costs only a
> few hundred bucks (last time I looked). If RedHat DB is three times the
> price, IME many PHBs will go with SQL Server, instead, just because it's
> cheaper, and they know the Microsoft name (and FUD).

Try about $5000 for about 30 people. They're now doing a per cpu
pricing thing, so it depends how many users and/or how many cpu's (I
think for per-user licensing stops at 20 or 25, then you must switch to
the per cpu licensing). Unless you were talking about Access?

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> M$ is a good example, as their database is quite capable, and costs only a
> few hundred bucks (last time I looked). If RedHat DB is three times the
> price, IME many PHBs will go with SQL Server, instead, just because it's
> cheaper, and they know the Microsoft name (and FUD).

FYI: Current SQL Server 2000 Prices on Output.com

$4,800 Std. Ed. (1 Processor License)
$2,119 Std. Ed. (10 Device Licenses)
$859 Ent. Ed. (10 Clients) Academic Version
$6,100 Ent. Ed. (25 Clients) Academic Version
$1,429 Std. Ed. (5 Device Licenses)
$709 Std. Ed. (5 Device Licenses) Competitive/Version Upgrade
$10,660 Ent. Ed. (25 Device Licenses)
$19,250 Ent. Ed. (Upgrade With 1 Processor License)

I have no idea what a "Device License" is but it looks like the cheapest
route (excluding accedemic and upgrade versions) is $1429. That problably
does not include much in the way of support, only runs on Win2K which will
cost you a few hundred dollars more and if your site is of any size the 5
device limit may be a problem.

Hi,

David Wheeler:
> M$ is a good example, as their database is quite capable, and costs only a
> few hundred bucks (last time I looked). If RedHat DB is three times the
> price, IME many PHBs will go with SQL Server, instead, just because it's
> cheaper, and they know the Microsoft name (and FUD).
>
RHDB has a price tag of zero if all you need is the database.

This is not what I was talking about, though.

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