Re: Wanted: new project slogan

All,

I'll disagree with Rob that there's any issue with our logo, and the
branding on the name is too entrenched to change.

However, I think for 9.0 it's time for a new project slogan.

There's several problems with our current slogan:

"The Most Advanced Open Source Database"

(1) "most advanced" suggests that PostgreSQL is complex and
unapproachable by non-DB-experts. It doesn't exactly encourage Drupal
and Wordpress geeks to give us a try, and as a result some potential PG
users are turning to CouchDB and MongoDB.

(2) LucidDB, Hadoop, Cassandra and others could now argue that "most
advanced" really depends on how you define "advanced". While we are
still the most advanced general-purpose OSDB, they are ahead of us in
specific areas.

(3) A new slogan for 9.0 could help punch up the release and get some
people to try 9 who turned away from previous versions.

Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions
for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it
to a vote on a survey site somewhere.

--Josh Berkus

On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 11:30 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> All,
>
> I'll disagree with Rob that there's any issue with our logo, and the
> branding on the name is too entrenched to change.

> (3) A new slogan for 9.0 could help punch up the release and get some
> people to try 9 who turned away from previous versions.
>
> Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions
> for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it
> to a vote on a survey site somewhere.

Woot! +1

PostgreSQL
The world's open source database

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On 01/25/2010 11:30 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:
> All,
>
> I'll disagree with Rob that there's any issue with our logo, and the
> branding on the name is too entrenched to change.
>
> However, I think for 9.0 it's time for a new project slogan.
>
> There's several problems with our current slogan:
>
> "The Most Advanced Open Source Database"
>
> (1) "most advanced" suggests that PostgreSQL is complex and
> unapproachable by non-DB-experts. It doesn't exactly encourage Drupal
> and Wordpress geeks to give us a try, and as a result some potential PG
> users are turning to CouchDB and MongoDB.
>
> (2) LucidDB, Hadoop, Cassandra and others could now argue that "most
> advanced" really depends on how you define "advanced". While we are
> still the most advanced general-purpose OSDB, they are ahead of us in
> specific areas.
>
> (3) A new slogan for 9.0 could help punch up the release and get some
> people to try 9 who turned away from previous versions.
>
> Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions
> for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it
> to a vote on a survey site somewhere.
>
> --Josh Berkus
>

The Database for Restful Nights
The Elephant Never Forgets
Stability,Extendability,Community

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<sigh>Might have been better to suggest this before we ordered a
shedload of swag using the current tagline after discussion here :-(

On 1/25/10, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I'll disagree with Rob that there's any issue with our logo, and the
> branding on the name is too entrenched to change.
>
> However, I think for 9.0 it's time for a new project slogan.
>
> There's several problems with our current slogan:
>
> "The Most Advanced Open Source Database"
>
> (1) "most advanced" suggests that PostgreSQL is complex and
> unapproachable by non-DB-experts. It doesn't exactly encourage Drupal
> and Wordpress geeks to give us a try, and as a result some potential PG
> users are turning to CouchDB and MongoDB.
>
> (2) LucidDB, Hadoop, Cassandra and others could now argue that "most
> advanced" really depends on how you define "advanced". While we are
> still the most advanced general-purpose OSDB, they are ahead of us in
> specific areas.
>
> (3) A new slogan for 9.0 could help punch up the release and get some
> people to try 9 who turned away from previous versions.
>
> Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions
> for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it
> to a vote on a survey site somewhere.
>
> --Josh Berkus
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On 1/25/10 12:22 PM, Dave Page wrote:
> <sigh>Might have been better to suggest this before we ordered a
> shedload of swag using the current tagline after discussion here :-(

Hopefully you didn't order anything with "8.5" on it.

Besides, I didn't see the swag thread, unless it's "new mug design".

--Josh

Josh Berkus wrote:

> Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions
> for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it
> to a vote on a survey site somewhere.
>

PostgreSQL / It just works
PostgreSQL / Works for you
PostgreSQL / Will not let you down
PostgreSQL / Looks after your data
PostgreSQL / Your SQL database
PostgreSQL / Your next database

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On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> wrote:
> On 1/25/10 12:22 PM, Dave Page wrote:
>> <sigh>Might have been better to suggest this before we ordered a
>> shedload of swag using the current tagline after discussion here :-(
>
> Hopefully you didn't order anything with "8.5" on it.

No, we're not that dappy.

> Besides, I didn't see the swag thread, unless it's "new mug design".

It was. Following that thread we ordered lots of mugs and shirts.

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On 25/01/2010 19:30, Josh Berkus wrote:
> All,
>
> I'll disagree with Rob that there's any issue with our logo, and the
> branding on the name is too entrenched to change.
>
> However, I think for 9.0 it's time for a new project slogan.
>
> There's several problems with our current slogan:
>
> "The Most Advanced Open Source Database"

"The most reliable open source database".

Ray.

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Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> writes:
> However, I think for 9.0 it's time for a new project slogan.

The Professional Database Solution

I'm failing to find an English phrase (or single world) to express that
PostgreSQL is offering way more than just data storage. Like a protocol,
an extensible system (types, operator classes, indexes, user functions),
a development system, etc.

So in lots of cases where you need 3-tier architecture, the middleware
part can be (and more often than not, is best) implemented inside
PostgreSQL.

Regards,
--
dim

- Start here. Get there.

- If your Data is Important

Just from the key words in http://www.postgresql.org/about/:

Open Source Power and Reliability

or Power with Integrity

(a play on 'integrity' you see, but don't know whether plays on words are a good idea)

Oliver Kohll

2010/1/26 Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org>:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> wrote:
>> On 1/25/10 12:22 PM, Dave Page wrote:
>>> <sigh>Might have been better to suggest this before we ordered a
>>> shedload of swag using the current tagline after discussion here :-(
>>
>> Hopefully you didn't order anything with "8.5" on it.
>
> No, we're not that dappy.
>
>> Besides, I didn't see the swag thread, unless it's "new mug design".
>
> It was. Following that thread we ordered lots of mugs and shirts.

Don't forget there is a lot of other stuff with that slogan on it.
Rollups, posters, etc - all the kind of re-usable conference stuff
that you don't replace every time.

You should probably count at least a couple of thousand dollars in
pure replacement costs (not counting work time of course).

But in general, it's usually claimed that's a small part of the cost
of replacing a logo or slogan. You might want to do some kind of
cost-analysis on what this is actually going to cost before pushing
something like that through.

(Oh, and when talking about other databases claiming to be more
advanced. If you're comparing with other OSS databases, mysql still
claims to be the most popular opensource database, and I don't see
sqlite complaining loudly about that - though I believe they have a
lot more installations. not to mention berkeleydb)

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On Mon, January 25, 2010 20:30, Josh Berkus wrote:
>
> a new project slogan.
>

PostgreSQL - The Open Source Elephant Memory

Erik Rijkers

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> However, I think for 9.0 it's time for a new project slogan.
>
> There's several problems with our current slogan:

Nobody has ever raised any issues with our slogan before, though...

> (1) "most advanced" suggests that PostgreSQL is complex and
> unapproachable by non-DB-experts. It doesn't exactly encourage Drupal
> and Wordpress geeks to give us a try, and as a result some potential PG
> users are turning to CouchDB and MongoDB.

Because we have "advanced" in our slogan?! Seems unlikely.

> (2) LucidDB, Hadoop, Cassandra and others could now argue that "most
> advanced" really depends on how you define "advanced". While we are
> still the most advanced general-purpose OSDB, they are ahead of us in
> specific areas.

Well, sure, but that's going to be true no matter what
superlative we choose.

> (3) A new slogan for 9.0 could help punch up the release and get some
> people to try 9 who turned away from previous versions.

Agreed with the first, but not the second.

> Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions
> for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it
> to a vote on a survey site somewhere.

- -1 on the slogan change. But... <humor>

Oh, I can't resist.. :) How about:

PostgreSQL: Unpronounceably awesome!

PostgreSQL: The most powerful software you can't pronounce

PostgreSQL: The open source Oracle with the funny name

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Josh Berkus ha scritto:
> Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions
> for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it
> to a vote on a survey site somewhere.
>
>

My first suggestion is a very simple and "humble" one: :)

PostgreSQL
Open-Source Database

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On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 17:43 +0100, Gabriele Bartolini wrote:
> Josh Berkus ha scritto:
> > Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions
> > for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it
> > to a vote on a survey site somewhere.
> >
> >
>
> My first suggestion is a very simple and "humble" one: :)
>
> PostgreSQL
> Open-Source Database

Or...

PostgreSQL
The Open Source Database

Of course I know that isn't going to happen, because for some reason we
must all get along, but man... the stomping we could do with that.

Joshua D. Drake

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Joshua D. Drake ha scritto:
> PostgreSQL
> The Open Source Database
>
I had actually thought about this as well, but I deliberately removed
the 'The' article, as I would love users to add it. :)

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PostgreSQL
*Your* Open Source Database

---Michael Brewer
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On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 12:00 -0500, Michael Alan Brewer wrote:
> PostgreSQL
> *Your* Open Source Database

Ohhhhhhh..... I like that.

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:

> PostgreSQL
> The Open Source Database

How about:

The 'Open' Open Source Database

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On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 13:34 -0500, Joshua Kramer wrote:
> > Open Source Power and Reliability
>
> Here's a novel idea. Can we create a slogan (and other marketing
> collateral) without the use of the term "Open Source"? This may give
> Postgres a 'foot in the door' to those entities who are irrationally
> afraid of Open Source software... I am aiming directly at the vast
> majority of SQL-Server workloads for which SQL-Server's advanced features
> (reporting, DotNet integration, etc) are not needed. For example:
>

Not a bad idea but... uh -- We have DotNet capabilties, reporting
capabilities etc...

> Postgres: Security, Power, and High Performance
>

I think removing Open Source from our slogan is a mistake. It is one of
the things that makes us who we are.

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
> I think removing Open Source from our slogan is a mistake. It is one of
> the things that makes us who we are.
>

How about something like:

Postgres: Liberate Your Data!

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 09:06:17AM -0800, Richard Broersma wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
>
> > PostgreSQL
> > The Open Source Database
>
> How about:
>
> The 'Open' Open Source Database

If the Firebird copyrights are in intentionally limited hands, we can
go with this. :)

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> Open Source Power and Reliability

Here's a novel idea. Can we create a slogan (and other marketing
collateral) without the use of the term "Open Source"? This may give
Postgres a 'foot in the door' to those entities who are irrationally
afraid of Open Source software... I am aiming directly at the vast
majority of SQL-Server workloads for which SQL-Server's advanced features
(reporting, DotNet integration, etc) are not needed. For example:

Postgres: Security, Power, and High Performance

vs.

Postgres: Open Source Security, Power, and High Performance

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 13:34 -0500, Joshua Kramer wrote:
> > > Open Source Power and Reliability
> >
> > Here's a novel idea. Can we create a slogan (and other marketing
> > collateral) without the use of the term "Open Source"? This may give
> > Postgres a 'foot in the door' to those entities who are irrationally
> > afraid of Open Source software... I am aiming directly at the vast
> > majority of SQL-Server workloads for which SQL-Server's advanced features
> > (reporting, DotNet integration, etc) are not needed. For example:
> >
>
> Not a bad idea but... uh -- We have DotNet capabilties, reporting
> capabilities etc...
>
>
I could be wrong but I believe he meant LINQ and MDX. I was going to write
a really incredulous email about how we indeed don't have those features but
it turns out we have both:
There are a few open source and at least on commercial product to provide
LINQ to PostgreSQL support. From what I can tell the open source products
aren't really done yet. One says it doesn't support transactions.
The open source Mondrian project can sit in front of a whole bunch of
different databases, including PostgreSQL, to provide MDX capabilities.

The problem is none of them right out of the box so to speak. They all take
fiddling.

Nik Everett

>> Besides, I didn't see the swag thread, unless it's "new mug design".
>
> It was. Following that thread we ordered lots of mugs and shirts.

Stopped tracking that thread. Given that I was travelling and was not
interested in mugs for the USA (per discussion), I stopped paying
attention to it before you added the slogan to the design; previous
discussion had involved putting something else entirely on the mugs.

Anyway, it's likely to take us until July to come up with a new slogan.
So you have plenty of time to move the merchandise. And it's not as if
the "Most Advanced" slogan is frowned on, I just want to replace it with
something better.

--Josh Berkus

Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
> PostgreSQL: The most powerful software you can't pronounce
>

I don't think you're fully taking advantage of the opportunity to
advance your name change agenda into the slogan with:

PostgreSQL: It's OK to call it Postgres, just not Postgre

I'm not sure if it's a great idea to drag this never ending thread along
here--I can see some of the business types who I know follow along here
just unsubscribing over a flood of messages from this list. I'd think
that a blog posting from someone interested in collecting slogan ideas
would be a better way to collect up initial brainstorming ideas from the
community at large, rather than this list which isn't that well
populated really.

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Greg,

> I'd think
> that a blog posting from someone interested in collecting slogan ideas
> would be a better way to collect up initial brainstorming ideas from the
> community at large, rather than this list which isn't that well
> populated really.

If coming up with a new slogan isn't the business of the -advocacy list,
what is? It's certainly more central to the list than a discussion
about the Oracle-Sun acquisition.

And I *especially* want to hear from the business types about what they
would consider a good slogan.

--Josh Berkus

On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 15:42 -0500, Joshua Kramer wrote:
> > Not a bad idea but... uh -- We have DotNet capabilties, reporting
> > capabilities etc...
>
> I know that... what I'm talking about are things like writing stored
> procedures using DotNet assemblies, as well as the reporting components
> that are included with SQL-Server itself. Many companies use these
> components, and it'd be darn near impossible to get them working with any
> other data source.
>
> > I think removing Open Source from our slogan is a mistake. It is one of
> > the things that makes us who we are.
>
> Perhaps EnterpriseDB could fill the niche I'm talking about, but (for the
> free version anyway) they've got that pesky 4GB limit just like SQL-Server
> Express does. :)

I think you are confusing Postgres Plus with Postgres Plus Advanced
Server.

Joshua D. Drake

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Richard Broersma wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
>
> > PostgreSQL
> > The Open Source Database
>
> How about:
>
> The 'Open' Open Source Database

And of course:

2
The Open Source Database

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> Nobody has ever raised any issues with our slogan before, though...

They have, actually. Particularly professional marketing types, who
*do* have some experience when it comes to slogans.

(josh waits for Rob Napier to speak up)

And it's possible we won't change it just because we can't come up with
a better one.

>> (1) "most advanced" suggests that PostgreSQL is complex and
>> unapproachable by non-DB-experts. It doesn't exactly encourage Drupal
>> and Wordpress geeks to give us a try, and as a result some potential PG
>> users are turning to CouchDB and MongoDB.
>
> Because we have "advanced" in our slogan?! Seems unlikely.

Actually, I heard this from a couple of Drupal folks at LCA just last
week. And *in general* Postgres now has the image of being
high-performance, powerful, big, and very, very complex. This is one of
the reasons non-relational DBs are getting so many new users.

Obviously, HOWTOs, tutorial, videos, and simple admin tools will go
further towards driving adoption. But I think we need work on our image
as well.

> PostgreSQL: Unpronounceably awesome!

Hah!

--Josh

On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 11:45 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > Nobody has ever raised any issues with our slogan before, though...

> Actually, I heard this from a couple of Drupal folks at LCA just last
> week. And *in general* Postgres now has the image of being
> high-performance, powerful, big, and very, very complex. This is one of
> the reasons non-relational DBs are getting so many new users.

You realize we are high-performance, powerful, and very very complex
right?

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>> Nobody has ever raised any issues with our slogan before, though...

> They have, actually. Particularly professional marketing types, who
> *do* have some experience when it comes to slogans.

Okay, I'll amend that to say that in the last 10 years nobody has ever
raised the issue once on any mailing list (that I recall anyway).

> And it's possible we won't change it just because we can't come up with
> a better one.

Fair enough. In all seriousness I've not seen a better one in the
proposals so far, but no harm in trying.

> Actually, I heard this from a couple of Drupal folks at LCA just last
> week. And *in general* Postgres now has the image of being
> high-performance, powerful, big, and very, very complex. This is one of
> the reasons non-relational DBs are getting so many new users.

Waddya mean, the "image of"?! :) Although compared to Oracle and SQL Server,
we are very uncomplex and simple to administer. Don't know how you
put that in a slogan, though.

> Obviously, HOWTOs, tutorial, videos, and simple admin tools will go
> further towards driving adoption. But I think we need work on our image
> as well.

Highly agreed.

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Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
> > Actually, I heard this from a couple of Drupal folks at LCA just last
> > week. And *in general* Postgres now has the image of being
> > high-performance, powerful, big, and very, very complex. This is one of
> > the reasons non-relational DBs are getting so many new users.
>
> Waddya mean, the "image of"?! :) Although compared to Oracle and SQL Server,
> we are very uncomplex and simple to administer. Don't know how you
> put that in a slogan, though.

Sure, new slogan:

PostgreSQL: Less complex than Oracle (but that doesn't mean much)

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Joshua Kramer <josh(at)globalherald(dot)net> wrote:
>
> Perhaps EnterpriseDB could fill the niche I'm talking about, but (for the
> free version anyway) they've got that pesky 4GB limit just like SQL-Server
> Express does.  :)

Our free distro is standard PostgreSQL + a bunch of useful extra
stuff. There's no 4GB limit.

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> Not a bad idea but... uh -- We have DotNet capabilties, reporting
> capabilities etc...

I know that... what I'm talking about are things like writing stored
procedures using DotNet assemblies, as well as the reporting components
that are included with SQL-Server itself. Many companies use these
components, and it'd be darn near impossible to get them working with any
other data source.

> I think removing Open Source from our slogan is a mistake. It is one of
> the things that makes us who we are.

Perhaps EnterpriseDB could fill the niche I'm talking about, but (for the
free version anyway) they've got that pesky 4GB limit just like SQL-Server
Express does. :)

--JK

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> I think you are confusing Postgres Plus with Postgres Plus Advanced
> Server.

Here's what I'm trying to get at. Most databases that are aimed directly
at enterprise apps either have a) a price tag, or b) limitations on use
(as in SQL-Server Express, the free version of EnterpriseDB, Oracle XE).

I would like to create a slogan that takes plain vanilla PostgreSQL (*NOT*
the EnterpriseDB versions), the PostgreSQL that has no funny restrictions
and that you can use to store terabytes of data, and aims it squarely at
those types of workloads that would traditionally run the Express versions
of SQL-S, Oracle, or EnterpriseDB.

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josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com (Josh Berkus) writes:
> Greg,
>
>> I'd think
>> that a blog posting from someone interested in collecting slogan ideas
>> would be a better way to collect up initial brainstorming ideas from the
>> community at large, rather than this list which isn't that well
>> populated really.
>
> If coming up with a new slogan isn't the business of the -advocacy list,
> what is? It's certainly more central to the list than a discussion
> about the Oracle-Sun acquisition.
>
> And I *especially* want to hear from the business types about what they
> would consider a good slogan.
>
> --Josh Berkus

Peter Eisentraut blogged something about this with some suggestion of
moniker containing the word "universal," which seems attractive to me...

Once upon a time, Informix renamed (at a time when there were some
commonalities in the original provenance of our respective code bases,
since at one time, Postgres begat Illustra...) to "Informix UDB",
suggesting some "universality" of their implementation.

I think we have more "universalness" than they did then ;-).
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 04:15:27PM -0500, Chris Browne wrote:
>
> I think we have more "universalness" than they did then ;-).

Your Data: Any time, Any Place.

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Rodger Donaldson
<rodgerd(at)diaspora(dot)gen(dot)nz> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 04:15:27PM -0500, Chris Browne wrote:
>>
>> I think we have more "universalness" than they did then ;-).
>
> Your Data: Any time, Any Place.

Haha. :) +1

Maybe we should have a few different things that we say. This project
has never been about having a unified vision of it's own future (oh,
someone please argue with me about that!).

Why not just embrace that fact and pick the best five slogans from the
ones that have been offered? AND ROTATE THEM! :)

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On Tuesday 26 January 2010 3:26:42 pm Selena Deckelmann wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Rodger Donaldson
>
> <rodgerd(at)diaspora(dot)gen(dot)nz> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 04:15:27PM -0500, Chris Browne wrote:
> >> I think we have more "universalness" than they did then ;-).
> >
> > Your Data: Any time, Any Place.
>
> Haha. :) +1
>
> Maybe we should have a few different things that we say. This project
> has never been about having a unified vision of it's own future (oh,
> someone please argue with me about that!).
>
> Why not just embrace that fact and pick the best five slogans from the
> ones that have been offered? AND ROTATE THEM! :)

Sort of the Magic 8 ball effect :)

>
> -selena

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On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 15:26 -0800, Selena Deckelmann wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Rodger Donaldson
> <rodgerd(at)diaspora(dot)gen(dot)nz> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 04:15:27PM -0500, Chris Browne wrote:
> >>
> >> I think we have more "universalness" than they did then ;-).
> >
> > Your Data: Any time, Any Place.
>
> Haha. :) +1
>
> Maybe we should have a few different things that we say. This project
> has never been about having a unified vision of it's own future (oh,
> someone please argue with me about that!).

O.k. :)

We do have a unified vision of the the future. In that there is no
unified vision of the future.

>
> Why not just embrace that fact and pick the best five slogans from the
> ones that have been offered? AND ROTATE THEM! :)

Ohhh, I like that. Have some fun with it.

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David Fetter wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 09:06:17AM -0800, Richard Broersma wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>>> PostgreSQL
>>> The Open Source Database
>> How about:
>>
>> The 'Open' Open Source Database
>
> If the Firebird copyrights are in intentionally limited hands, we can
> go with this. :)

Well if not their code, then certainly their documentation. You pretty
much have to purchase a book to do anything.

But I'd hope we're past the stage of comparing ourselves with MySQL or
Firebird. Instead we should focus on what makes us attractive to Oracle,
DB2 or SQL Server shops.

When working on some databases, especially SQL Server, I always get so
frustrated with how difficult everything is. So maybe a slogan like:
PostgreSQL - Enjoy your database again
PostgreSQL - The database you'll love
PostgreSQL - Setting the standard for following the standard

Obviously the hit on Oracle is the cost, management and intrusiveness.
Because transaction processing need not involve your credit card
PostgreSQL - Because your database shouldn't manage you
PostgreSQL - Power without a 6 figure baby sitter

And if we really need to poke at MySQL then:
PostgreSQL - Licensed to kill

Ok, well all of my suggestions suck. But you get the point.

Scott

Joshua Kramer wrote:
>
>> We do have a unified vision of the the future. In that there is no
>> unified vision of the future.
>
> PostgreSQL: The Database of Entropic Destinies.
>
LOL. That would look awesome on a tie-die!

Scott

On 01/26/2010 03:34 PM, Scott Bailey wrote:
> When working on some databases, especially SQL Server, I always get so
> frustrated with how difficult everything is. So maybe a slogan like:
> PostgreSQL - Enjoy your database again
> PostgreSQL - The database you'll love
> PostgreSQL - Setting the standard for following the standard

I like the general concept -- how 'bout:

PostgreSQL - Powerful Freedom

Joe

Scott Bailey wrote:
> David Fetter wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 09:06:17AM -0800, Richard Broersma wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> PostgreSQL
> >>> The Open Source Database
> >> How about:
> >>
> >> The 'Open' Open Source Database
> >
> > If the Firebird copyrights are in intentionally limited hands, we can
> > go with this. :)
>
> Well if not their code, then certainly their documentation. You pretty
> much have to purchase a book to do anything.
>
> But I'd hope we're past the stage of comparing ourselves with MySQL or
> Firebird. Instead we should focus on what makes us attractive to Oracle,
> DB2 or SQL Server shops.
>
> When working on some databases, especially SQL Server, I always get so
> frustrated with how difficult everything is. So maybe a slogan like:
> PostgreSQL - Enjoy your database again

I like the one above.

> PostgreSQL - The database you'll love
> PostgreSQL - Setting the standard for following the standard

The Pennsylvania Railroad slogan was "Standard Railroad of the World".
Can we modify that somehow?

> Obviously the hit on Oracle is the cost, management and intrusiveness.
> Because transaction processing need not involve your credit card
> PostgreSQL - Because your database shouldn't manage you
> PostgreSQL - Power without a 6 figure baby sitter
>
> And if we really need to poke at MySQL then:
> PostgreSQL - Licensed to kill

Good one --- has a James Bond feel, and I do think that using several
different slogans has real value.

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 20:09, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> wrote:
> Richard Broersma wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
>> > PostgreSQL
>> > The Open Source Database
>>
>> How about:
>> The 'Open' Open Source Database
>
> And of course:
>                2
>        The Open  Source Database

And on similar theme, why not just:

PostgreSQL: The Open Database

not only 'source' is open, the community is open, the possibilities
are open, the data inside is open.

some other ideas:

PostgreSQL - Feel Free.

PostgreSQL: Your Data is Important.

PostgreSQL: Meet the Future.

Best regards,
Dawid

On Wed, January 27, 2010 12:29, Adrian Klaver wrote:
>> Maybe we should have a few different things that we say. This project
>> has never been about having a unified vision of it's own future (oh,
>> someone please argue with me about that!).
>>
>> Why not just embrace that fact and pick the best five slogans from the
>> ones that have been offered? AND ROTATE THEM! :)
>
> Sort of the Magic 8 ball effect :)

"Magic 8-Ball" and "Database" is perhaps a pair to avoid.

select cust_balance
from general_ledger
where cust_id = 'foo'

"Outlook not so good."

Dawid Kuroczko wrote:
> not only 'source' is open, the community is open, the possibilities
> are open, the data inside is open.
>

This idea respins into a neat slogan:

PostgreSQL: Open-Source Database, Open-Ended Possibilities

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> Why not just embrace that fact and pick the best five slogans from the
> ones that have been offered? AND ROTATE THEM! :)

Or better yet, let's implement a markov chain algorithm to periodically
come up with new slogans based on the frequency of occurrence of various
words in this slogan debate!

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> We do have a unified vision of the the future. In that there is no
> unified vision of the future.

PostgreSQL: The Database of Entropic Destinies.

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On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 11:30 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> There's several problems with our current slogan:
>
> "The Most Advanced Open Source Database"

<snip>

Heh, *I think* none of the suggestions are better than current one.

Even though I agree with your concerns regarding the current one and I
also believe that we need to change it (or add more slogans), IMO we
need something that suits our product, not our t-shirts or flyers.

(... FWIW, I have always found MySQL's slogan stupid. Popularity does
not mean that they doing the Right Thing.)
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* Greg Stark:

> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
>> I think removing Open Source from our slogan is a mistake. It is one of
>> the things that makes us who we are.
>>
>
> How about something like:
>
> Postgres: Liberate Your Data!

A lot of companies (and individuals, too) don't want to see their data
liberated. That's why "open" doesn't seem to be such a great term in
the database context. Of course, there are different kinds of
openness (format and algorithms vs content), but that's a rather
subtle point, I think.

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian(dot)klaver(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 26 January 2010 3:26:42 pm Selena Deckelmann wrote:
>>
>> Why not just embrace that fact and pick the best five slogans from the
>> ones that have been offered? AND ROTATE THEM! :)
>
> Sort of the Magic 8 ball effect :)

Am now visualizing a (blue) Magic 9.0 Ball (to promote the next release). ;)

---Michael Brewer
mbrewer(at)gmail(dot)com

I am reporting this suggestion:

PostgreSQL: Your SQL

or

PostgreSQL: YourSQL

(Don't blame me, I am just reporting)

Gabriele Bartolini wrote:
> I am reporting this suggestion:
>
> PostgreSQL: Your SQL
>
> or
>
> PostgreSQL: YourSQL
>
> (Don't blame me, I am just reporting)

*shivers* definitely not.

But perhaps
PostgreSQL: Even better with bacon!

Scott

josh(at)globalherald(dot)net (Joshua Kramer) writes:
>> Why not just embrace that fact and pick the best five slogans from the
>> ones that have been offered? AND ROTATE THEM! :)
>
> Or better yet, let's implement a markov chain algorithm to
> periodically come up with new slogans based on the frequency of
> occurrence of various words in this slogan debate!

[Chris rummages around his ~/Lisp directory... Yup, "parse-poetry.lisp"
is still kicking around...]

I've got one of those... Some years ago, my little program won a rather
geeky "poetry generation" contest. I grabbed a corpus of sample poetry
by one of those crazy "tax protestors," and the program would nicely
generate poetry looking very much like this one guy's output.

Give me 50 slogans, and the little program should be able to do the same
:-).
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bruce(at)momjian(dot)us (Bruce Momjian) writes:
> Good one --- has a James Bond feel, and I do think that using several
> different slogans has real value.

We could set up an, um, database of slogans, maybe?
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2010/1/27 Scott Bailey <artacus(at)comcast(dot)net>:
> Gabriele Bartolini wrote:
>>
>> I am reporting this suggestion:
>>
>> PostgreSQL: Your SQL
>>
>> or
>>
>> PostgreSQL: YourSQL
>>
>> (Don't blame me, I am just reporting)
>
> *shivers* definitely not.
>
> But perhaps
> PostgreSQL: Even better with bacon!
>

Vegan's may feel discarded. :P

What about:

Use Postgres, be open and leave everything else!

The Open Stable Solution.

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On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 12:00 -0500, Michael Alan Brewer wrote:
> PostgreSQL
> *Your* Open Source Database

Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with
"Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but
"Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing
the meaning.

We need to remind people that a DBMS isn't just a place to stash data,
it's a complete system. This also differentiates us from the NoSQL
crowd, which seems much more confused about the distinction between a
database and the system that manages it (for example, the mixing of data
and schema is prevalent among those using KV stores or tree/graph
systems).

Regards,
Jeff Davis

On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 12:01 +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote:
> I'm failing to find an English phrase (or single world) to express that
> PostgreSQL is offering way more than just data storage. Like a protocol,
> an extensible system (types, operator classes, indexes, user functions),
> a development system, etc.

"Database Management System" is one way of saying it, but that's a
little verbose for a slogan, so perhaps "Database System".

Regards,
Jeff Davis

On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 17:10 +0000, Greg Stark wrote:
> Postgres: Liberate Your Data!

I like it. It may not even need the "!".

Also, it looks like it would translate well into many languages.

Regards,
Jeff Davis

On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote:
> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with
> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but
> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing
> the meaning.

You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's
tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more
recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably
not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds
that way.

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Why would this be considered a good thing? Data wants to
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On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 23:31 +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's
> tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more
> recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably
> not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds
> that way.

Technically, that's true. I was trying for some kind of compromise, but
I can see why you don't like it.

I would like to get away from calling PostgreSQL a "database" in any
official documentation, slogans, or anything else. In my opinion, our
slogan shouldn't add to the confusion, particularly when that same
confusion may be driving much of the NoSQL movement (and pulling people
away from systems like postgresql).

We don't have to use that language in the slogan at all necessarily --
for instance, Greg Stark suggested "Liberate Your Data!"

Regards,
Jeff Davis

On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 21:32 +0000, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
> Why would this be considered a good thing? Data wants to
> be secure, not liberated.

"Secure" has two potential meanings when it comes to data:
1. Hidden from those who shouldn't see it.
2. Protected from loss or corruption.

Clearly, data should be secure in the second sense, but that does not
conflict in any way with "liberation". Do you really think people will
interpret "liberate" as "the system will post your data to a mailing
list"?

I imagine liberty as the flexibility to transform, transmit, integrate,
and interpret your data using as many tools and interfaces as you can
imagine. Our flexible type system and powerful PL support allow that,
and you can use as many ACLs as you want to secure it in the first
sense.

Regards,
Jeff Davis

How about something like:

> Non-stop data integrity.
>
> or
>
> Non-stop data security.
>
> or
>
> Non-stop elephant enclosures?
>
> ... well, you get the idea ...

Non-stop used to be a registered trademark of TANDEM but I haven¹t heard
from them in years so I don¹t expect there to be a conflict.

By the way, our corporate positioning statement is:

> Liberating ideas.

This ties in with the freedom and flexibility that comes from rapid
application development with once:radix. I think the Œliberate¹ positioning
of PostgreSQL is a bit close to home for me.

Regards

Rob Napier

It's late. Like, really late. Please forgive me. :)

PostgreSQL: It's ACID!

PostgreSQL: You are in control.

PostgreSQL: Do Elephants Dream of Generalized Inverted Indexes?

PostgreSQL: Time for Postgres.

PostgreSQL: Słoń nigdy nie zapomina / Ein Gedaechtnis wie ein Elefant
/ Avoir une mémoire d'éléphant [...]
(alternating elephantine memory related phrases in as many languages
as possible)

PostgresSQL: Avant-garde of Databases.

Best regards,
Dawid

PS: Oh, and I like the current slogan. Personally I don't think any of
ones I've seen here is better than the current one... They are nice
co-slogan, but the most advanced open source database just sums
it all so nicely...

On 1/27/10 5:07 PM, Dawid Kuroczko wrote:
> PostgreSQL: Do Elephants Dream of Generalized Inverted Indexes?

Hah! +1

--Josh Berkus

Sorry my bad english, but this is my idea

"PostgreSQL : the freedom power"

or

"PostgreSQL : just be free"

Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net> writes:

> On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote:
>> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with
>> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but
>> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing
>> the meaning.
>
> You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's
> tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more
> recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably
> not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds
> that way.

http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2010-01/msg00053.php

The Professional Database Solution

It's missing something yet, but hopefully with some contribution we'd
get there.
--
dim

Each time I'm asked to give an overly brief comparision between MySQL
and PostgreSQL, I begin with the punch line: well, with MySQL you get
problems, with PostgreSQL, solutions.

On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 14:59 +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote:
> Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net> writes:
>
> > On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote:
> >> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with
> >> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but
> >> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing
> >> the meaning.
> >
> > You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's
> > tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more
> > recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably
> > not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds
> > that way.
>
> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2010-01/msg00053.php
>
> The Professional Database Solution
>
> It's missing something yet, but hopefully with some contribution we'd
> get there.'

The Professionals Database

Joshua D. Drake

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On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Florian Weimer <fweimer(at)bfk(dot)de> wrote:
> A lot of companies (and individuals, too) don't want to see their data
> liberated.

Well they don't necessarily want to see it liberated from their
control. But they certainly want their data to be free from
technological limitations which prevent them from exploiting it.
Obviously the slogan I proposed unseriously doesn't get to that
distinction but perhaps there's some way to exploit that feeling that
people have tons of data and its stuck in an impotent form because
they lack the tools to free it from these restrictions.

--
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Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 14:59 +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote:
> > Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net> writes:
> >
> > > On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote:
> > >> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with
> > >> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but
> > >> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing
> > >> the meaning.
> > >
> > > You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's
> > > tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more
> > > recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably
> > > not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds
> > > that way.
> >
> > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2010-01/msg00053.php
> >
> > The Professional Database Solution
> >
> > It's missing something yet, but hopefully with some contribution we'd
> > get there.'
>
>
> The Professionals Database

The interesting issue with this suggestion is the fact that we are open
source is only _one_ of our strengths, and I think that will
increasingly become true:

http://momjian.us/main/blogs/pgblog/2010.html#January_28_2010_2

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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

> On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 14:59 +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote:
>> Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net> writes:
>>
>>> On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote:
>>>> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with
>>>> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but
>>>> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing
>>>> the meaning.
>>>
>>> You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's
>>> tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more
>>> recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably
>>> not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds
>>> that way.
>>
>> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2010-01/msg00053.php
>>
>> The Professional Database Solution
>>
>> It's missing something yet, but hopefully with some contribution we'd
>> get there.'
>
>
> The Professionals Database

I like the first one better .. yours implies a certain knowledge level
required to use ...

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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 14:59 +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote:
> >> Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net> writes:
> >>
> >>> On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote:
> >>>> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with
> >>>> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but
> >>>> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing
> >>>> the meaning.
> >>>
> >>> You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's
> >>> tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more
> >>> recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably
> >>> not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds
> >>> that way.
> >>
> >> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2010-01/msg00053.php
> >>
> >> The Professional Database Solution
> >>
> >> It's missing something yet, but hopefully with some contribution we'd
> >> get there.'
> >
> >
> > The Professionals Database
>
> I like the first one better .. yours implies a certain knowledge level
> required to use ...

Yea, I like "The Professional Database Solution" too.

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On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 18:34, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 14:59 +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote:
>> >> Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net> writes:
>> >>
>> >>> On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote:
>> >>>> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with
>> >>>> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but
>> >>>> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing
>> >>>> the meaning.
>> >>>
>> >>> You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's
>> >>> tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more
>> >>> recognizable.  But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably
>> >>> not as short and recognizable.  So you'd get the worst of both worlds
>> >>> that way.
>> >>
>> >>   http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2010-01/msg00053.php
>> >>
>> >>   The Professional Database Solution
>> >>
>> >> It's missing something yet, but hopefully with some contribution we'd
>> >> get there.'
>> >
>> >
>> > The Professionals Database
>>
>> I like the first one better .. yours implies a certain knowledge level
>> required to use ...
>
> Yea, I like "The Professional Database Solution" too.

One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this
is that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like
us calling ourselves the most advanced one.

What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying
we're the professional one - implicating they're not....

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PostgreSQL: What the Hell Else Would You Use?

Or, to boil the sentiment right down:

PostgreSQL: Duh

Seriously though, I do think "Liberate Your Data", while reflecting an
admirable ideal would probably strike terror into the hearts of a lot
of suits.

On 29 January 2010 04:34, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> wrote:
> Yea, I like "The Professional Database Solution" too.

That one's not bad but I'm not sure it's overwhelmingly better than
the existing slogan.

Cheers,
BJ

Loads of suggestions:

PostgreSQL: It's really quite good
PostgreSQL: Possibly the only database with a replication solution
named after a type of goat.
PostgreSQL: We won't be bought out
PostgreSQL: Free forever
PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Standby
Postgres: Who stole my QL?

On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 18:59 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
> One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this
> is that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like
> us calling ourselves the most advanced one.
>
> What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying
> we're the professional one - implicating they're not....

Right now, our slogan compares us directly to other open source database
systems, and that's nearly a direct shot at MySQL. If we compare
ourselves to all database systems, it's not nearly as bad.

Regards,
Jeff Davis

> Postgres: Who stole my QL?

I burst out laughing at this one.

On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 18:08 +0000, Hywel Mallett wrote:
> Postgres: Who stole my QL?

:-)
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On 28/01/10 16:08, Jeff Davis wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 18:59 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
>
>> One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this
>> is that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like
>> us calling ourselves the most advanced one.
>>
>> What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying
>> we're the professional one - implicating they're not....
>>
> Right now, our slogan compares us directly to other open source database
> systems, and that's nearly a direct shot at MySQL. If we compare
> ourselves to all database systems, it's not nearly as bad.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff Davis
>
I like the old mozilla approach of "Reclaim your inbox" as a thunderbird
slogan.
I think that we could use something similar like:
PostgreSQL: Reclaim your database.
PostgreSQL: Regain control of your data.
PostgreSQL: Take your data wherever you want to go.

I think it synthesizes the notion of being in control of data and having
a flexible development plataform, something that was previously
mentioned in this thread.

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On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 04:49:23PM +0000, Greg Stark wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Florian Weimer <fweimer(at)bfk(dot)de> wrote:
> > A lot of companies (and individuals, too) don't want to see their data
> > liberated.
>
> Well they don't necessarily want to see it liberated from their
> control. But they certainly want their data to be free from
> technological limitations which prevent them from exploiting it.
> Obviously the slogan I proposed unseriously doesn't get to that
> distinction but perhaps there's some way to exploit that feeling that
> people have tons of data and its stuck in an impotent form because
> they lack the tools to free it from these restrictions.

Perhaps we should say "Your data unfettered"... but I imagine some of the
community might have feelings about that...

- Josh / eggyknap

2010/1/29 Diogo Biazus <diogob(at)gmail(dot)com>:

> PostgreSQL: Reclaim your database.
> PostgreSQL: Regain control of your data.
> PostgreSQL: Take your data wherever you want to go.

PostgreSQL - because your data is worth it
PostgreSQL - your data deserves it

Cheers,
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On 01/28/2010 12:20 PM, Joshua Tolley wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 04:49:23PM +0000, Greg Stark wrote:
>> Well they don't necessarily want to see it liberated from their
>> control. But they certainly want their data to be free from
>> technological limitations which prevent them from exploiting it.
>> Obviously the slogan I proposed unseriously doesn't get to that
>> distinction but perhaps there's some way to exploit that feeling that
>> people have tons of data and its stuck in an impotent form because
>> they lack the tools to free it from these restrictions.
>
> Perhaps we should say "Your data unfettered"... but I imagine some of the

Maybe:

PostgreSQL: It Simply Works

Joe

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:

> One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this is
> that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like us
> calling ourselves the most advanced one.
>
> What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying
> we're the professional one - implicating they're not....

Why do we care?

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On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 22:41, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy(at)hub(dot)org> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:
>
>> One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this is
>> that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like us
>> calling ourselves the most advanced one.
>>
>> What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying
>> we're the professional one - implicating they're not....
>
> Why do we care?

If we don't, then that's not a reason to change. It can't both be a
reason to change, and then not a reason to change...

(FWIW, I think it's not a reason to change away from what we have now)

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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 22:41, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy(at)hub(dot)org> wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:
>>
>>> One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this is
>>> that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like us
>>> calling ourselves the most advanced one.
>>>
>>> What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying
>>> we're the professional one - implicating they're not....
>>
>> Why do we care?
>
> If we don't, then that's not a reason to change. It can't both be a
> reason to change, and then not a reason to change...
>
> (FWIW, I think it's not a reason to change away from what we have now)

I didn't realize that it was the original reason to change, but if it is,
I think its a pretty lame reason ... I thought we were just looking for
something new to 'spice things up' a bit ...

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On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 17:53 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 22:41, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy(at)hub(dot)org> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:
> >>
> >>> One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this is
> >>> that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like us
> >>> calling ourselves the most advanced one.
> >>>
> >>> What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying
> >>> we're the professional one - implicating they're not....
> >>
> >> Why do we care?
> >
> > If we don't, then that's not a reason to change. It can't both be a
> > reason to change, and then not a reason to change...
> >
> > (FWIW, I think it's not a reason to change away from what we have now)
>
> I didn't realize that it was the original reason to change, but if it is,
> I think its a pretty lame reason ... I thought we were just looking for
> something new to 'spice things up' a bit ...

Our slogan represents our impression to others. Personally I have no
problem telling everyone that I use the Professionals database (or some
such thing). I don't care that it implies that other databases may not
be.

Others in our community (and I am not saying they are wrong) feel we
should get along.

Both perspectives are valid, it just depends on how we want to get
there. I am more aggressive than most.

Joshua D. Drake

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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

> Our slogan represents our impression to others. Personally I have no
> problem telling everyone that I use the Professionals database (or some
> such thing). I don't care that it implies that other databases may not
> be.

+1

> Others in our community (and I am not saying they are wrong) feel we
> should get along.

-1

> Both perspectives are valid, it just depends on how we want to get
> there. I am more aggressive than most.

+1

+1 -1 +1 == +1

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On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy(at)hub(dot)org> wrote:

>> If we don't, then that's not a reason to change. It can't both be a
>> reason to change, and then not a reason to change...
>>
>> (FWIW, I think it's not a reason to change away from what we have now)
>
> I didn't realize that it was the original reason to change, but if it is, I
> think its a pretty lame reason ... I thought we were just looking for
> something new to 'spice things up' a bit ...

The other reason to remove the work 'advanced' was to connotation with
'complicated'. Which is suggested is a turn-off more some of the
emerging development trends.

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Joshua Tolley wrote:
> Perhaps we should say "Your data unfettered"... but I imagine some of the
> community might have feelings about that...
>

Isn't there already too much PostgreSQL data that's David Fettered for
that to be true?

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On Fri, January 29, 2010 08:30, Diogo Biazus wrote:
> I like the old mozilla approach of "Reclaim your inbox" as a thunderbird
> slogan.
> I think that we could use something similar like:
> PostgreSQL: Reclaim your database.
> PostgreSQL: Regain control of your data.
> PostgreSQL: Take your data wherever you want to go.
>
> I think it synthesizes the notion of being in control of data and having
> a flexible development plataform, something that was previously
> mentioned in this thread.

This seems a particularly good angle, given that I can't be the only
person looking at Sunacle and being concerned that I don't want my choice
of database to be used as leverage to dictate my choice of server, SAN,
operating system, and app server.

Hywel Mallett wrote:

> PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Standby

Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term?
I think the slogan should be

"PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves"

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2010/1/29 Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>:
> Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term?
> I think the slogan should be
>
> "PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves"

Now *that* raises all sorts of weird connotations I'm afraid :}

Cheers,
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On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 00:34 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Hywel Mallett wrote:
>
> > PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Standby
>
> Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term?
> I think the slogan should be
>
> "PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves"

Uh, no.

Joshua D. Drake

>
> --
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>

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Andrej escribió:
> 2010/1/29 Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>:
> > Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term?
> > I think the slogan should be
> >
> > "PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves"
>
> Now *that* raises all sorts of weird connotations I'm afraid :}

Well, that was kind of *the point* :-D (Yes, it was a joke. Perhaps I
didn't take this thread with all the seriousness it merits.)
BTW sorry if I offended sensibilities.

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2010/1/28 Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>:
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 18:34, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> wrote:
>> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>>> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 14:59 +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote:
>>> >> Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net> writes:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote:
>>> >>>> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with
>>> >>>> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but
>>> >>>> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing
>>> >>>> the meaning.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's
>>> >>> tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more
>>> >>> recognizable.  But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably
>>> >>> not as short and recognizable.  So you'd get the worst of both worlds
>>> >>> that way.
>>> >>
>>> >>   http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2010-01/msg00053.php
>>> >>
>>> >>   The Professional Database Solution
>>> >>
>>> >> It's missing something yet, but hopefully with some contribution we'd
>>> >> get there.'
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The Professionals Database
>>>
>>> I like the first one better .. yours implies a certain knowledge level
>>> required to use ...
>>
>> Yea, I like "The Professional Database Solution" too.
>
> One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this
> is that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like
> us calling ourselves the most advanced one.
>
> What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying
> we're the professional one - implicating they're not....

Postgres
SQL Database

:-D

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So we have:

The Database for Restful Nights Adrian Klaver
The Elephant Never Forgets Adrian Klaver
Stability,Extendability,Community Adrian Klaver
Now with Hot Slaves Alvaro Herrera
Because your data is worth it Andrej
Your data deserves it Andrej
The Obvious Choice Brendan Jurd
What the Hell Else Would You Use? Brendan Jurd
SQL Database Cédric Villemain
The Open Database Dawid Kuroczko
Feel Free Dawid Kuroczko
Your Data is Important Dawid Kuroczko
Meet the Future Dawid Kuroczko
It's ACID! Dawid Kuroczko
You are in control Dawid Kuroczko
Do Elephants Dream of Generalized Inverted Indexes? Dawid Kuroczko
Time for Postgres Dawid Kuroczko
Avant-garde of Databases Dawid Kuroczko
The Professional Database Solution Dimitri Fontaine
The Professional Database Solution Dimitri Fontaine
Reclaim your database Diogo Biazus
Regain control of your data Diogo Biazus
Take your data wherever you want to go Diogo Biazus
The Open Stable Solution Emanuel Calvo Franco
Be open and leave everything else! Emanuel Calvo Franco
The Open Source Elephant Memory Erik Rijkers
The freedom power Ernesto Quiñones
Just be free Ernesto Quiñones
Open-Source Database Gabriele Bartolini
Your SQL Gabriele Bartolini
Open-Source Database, Open-Ended Possibilities Greg Smith
Liberate Your Data! Greg Stark
It's really quite good Hywel Mallett
Possibly the only database with a replication solution named after a type of
goat. Hywel Mallett
We won't be bought out Hywel Mallett
Free forever Hywel Mallett
Now with Hot Standby Hywel Mallett
Powerful Freedom Joe Conway
It Simply Works Joe Conway
The world's open source database Joshua D. Drake
The Open Source Database Joshua D. Drake
The Professionals Database Joshua D. Drake
Security, Power, and High Performance Joshua Kramer
Yours Open Source Database Michael Alan Brewer
Start here. Get there. Mike Ellsworth
If your Data is Important Mike Ellsworth
Open Source Power and Reliability Oliver Kohll
Power with Integrity Oliver Kohll
It just works Rafael Martinez
Works for you Rafael Martinez
Will not let you down Rafael Martinez
Looks after your data Rafael Martinez
Your SQL database Rafael Martinez
Your next database Rafael Martinez
The most reliable open source database Raymond O'Donnell
The 'Open' Open Source Database Richard Broersma
Non-stop data integrity Rob Napier
Non-stop data security Rob Napier
Your Data: Any time, Any Place. Rodger Donaldson
Enjoy your database again Scott Bailey
The database you'll love Scott Bailey
Setting the standard for following the standard Scott Bailey

Personally, I still don't prefer any of these slogans over the existing one.

Thom

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Thom Brown <thombrown(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> So we have:
>
...
> Personally, I still don't prefer any of these slogans over the existing one.

Nor I. Except possibly:

> What the Hell Else Would You Use? Brendan Jurd

:-p

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Wow, great list. I had already created a trimmed-down, categorized list
on my blog:

http://momjian.us/main/blogs/pgblog/2010.html#January_29_2010

If we want to choose a couple to cycle through, we can pick the best
from each category.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thom Brown wrote:
> So we have:
>
> The Database for Restful Nights Adrian Klaver
> The Elephant Never Forgets Adrian Klaver
> Stability,Extendability,Community Adrian Klaver
> Now with Hot Slaves Alvaro Herrera
> Because your data is worth it Andrej
> Your data deserves it Andrej
> The Obvious Choice Brendan Jurd
> What the Hell Else Would You Use? Brendan Jurd
> SQL Database C?dric Villemain
> The Open Database Dawid Kuroczko
> Feel Free Dawid Kuroczko
> Your Data is Important Dawid Kuroczko
> Meet the Future Dawid Kuroczko
> It's ACID! Dawid Kuroczko
> You are in control Dawid Kuroczko
> Do Elephants Dream of Generalized Inverted Indexes? Dawid Kuroczko
> Time for Postgres Dawid Kuroczko
> Avant-garde of Databases Dawid Kuroczko
> The Professional Database Solution Dimitri Fontaine
> The Professional Database Solution Dimitri Fontaine
> Reclaim your database Diogo Biazus
> Regain control of your data Diogo Biazus
> Take your data wherever you want to go Diogo Biazus
> The Open Stable Solution Emanuel Calvo Franco
> Be open and leave everything else! Emanuel Calvo Franco
> The Open Source Elephant Memory Erik Rijkers
> The freedom power Ernesto Qui?ones
> Just be free Ernesto Qui?ones
> Open-Source Database Gabriele Bartolini
> Your SQL Gabriele Bartolini
> Open-Source Database, Open-Ended Possibilities Greg Smith
> Liberate Your Data! Greg Stark
> It's really quite good Hywel Mallett
> Possibly the only database with a replication solution named after a type of
> goat. Hywel Mallett
> We won't be bought out Hywel Mallett
> Free forever Hywel Mallett
> Now with Hot Standby Hywel Mallett
> Powerful Freedom Joe Conway
> It Simply Works Joe Conway
> The world's open source database Joshua D. Drake
> The Open Source Database Joshua D. Drake
> The Professionals Database Joshua D. Drake
> Security, Power, and High Performance Joshua Kramer
> Yours Open Source Database Michael Alan Brewer
> Start here. Get there. Mike Ellsworth
> If your Data is Important Mike Ellsworth
> Open Source Power and Reliability Oliver Kohll
> Power with Integrity Oliver Kohll
> It just works Rafael Martinez
> Works for you Rafael Martinez
> Will not let you down Rafael Martinez
> Looks after your data Rafael Martinez
> Your SQL database Rafael Martinez
> Your next database Rafael Martinez
> The most reliable open source database Raymond O'Donnell
> The 'Open' Open Source Database Richard Broersma
> Non-stop data integrity Rob Napier
> Non-stop data security Rob Napier
> Your Data: Any time, Any Place. Rodger Donaldson
> Enjoy your database again Scott Bailey
> The database you'll love Scott Bailey
> Setting the standard for following the standard Scott Bailey
>
> Personally, I still don't prefer any of these slogans over the existing one.
>
> Thom

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I like:

> The Elephant Never Forgets    Adrian Klaver

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On Jan 29, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Thom Brown wrote:

> So we have:
>
> ....
> Setting the standard for following the standard Scott Bailey
>
> Personally, I still don't prefer any of these slogans over the existing one.
>

What about extending the existing one:
The world's most advanced open source database. Now with replication.

It's compatible with the existing slogan and emphasizes one of the major new features of 9.0

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Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 00:34 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>> Hywel Mallett wrote:
>>
>>> PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Standby
>> Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term?
>> I think the slogan should be
>>
>> "PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves"
>
> Uh, no.
>
> Joshua D. Drake
>

LOL. Alvaro, that's the funniest one yet.

Ah, come on Joshua. Just think how packed your booth will be at OSCON.
We have some babes in leather handcuffed to a pole... and the pens with
the girls that strip when you turn them upside down. Ok, probably not.

Scott

On 29 January 2010 17:16, Scott Bailey <artacus(at)comcast(dot)net> wrote:

> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 00:34 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>>
>>> Hywel Mallett wrote:
>>>
>>> PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Standby
>>>>
>>> Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term?
>>> I think the slogan should be
>>>
>>> "PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves"
>>>
>>
>> Uh, no.
>>
>> Joshua D. Drake
>>
>>
> LOL. Alvaro, that's the funniest one yet.
>
> Ah, come on Joshua. Just think how packed your booth will be at OSCON. We
> have some babes in leather handcuffed to a pole... and the pens with the
> girls that strip when you turn them upside down. Ok, probably not.
>
>
Hey, cater for all sexualities!

Thom

Greg Stark wrote:
> I like:
>
>
>> The Elephant Never Forgets Adrian Klaver
>>
"Never Forgets" was the slogan for Elephant Memory Systems, a maker of
floppy disks during the early 80's:
http://home.comcast.net/~kevin_d_clark/ems/

One of the ads they used to run:
http://home.comcast.net/~kevin_d_clark/ems/ems-mag-ad-2-small.jpg could
almost be a PostgreSQL one if you just replace "ANSI" for "SQL Standard".

--
Greg Smith 2ndQuadrant Baltimore, MD
PostgreSQL Training, Services and Support
greg(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com www.2ndQuadrant.com

On 01/29/2010 09:26 AM, Greg Smith wrote:
> Greg Stark wrote:
>> I like:
>>
>>> The Elephant Never Forgets Adrian Klaver
> "Never Forgets" was the slogan for Elephant Memory Systems, a maker of
> floppy disks during the early 80's:
> http://home.comcast.net/~kevin_d_clark/ems/
>

My suggestion was not exactly original. It is the phrase that prompted
the use of an elephant as the project mascot. I suggested it as both a
slogan and an explanation of the mascot for those who are not familiar
with the reference.

> One of the ads they used to run:
> http://home.comcast.net/~kevin_d_clark/ems/ems-mag-ad-2-small.jpg could
> almost be a PostgreSQL one if you just replace "ANSI" for "SQL Standard".
>

--
Adrian Klaver
adrian(dot)klaver(at)gmail(dot)com

Scott Bailey wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 00:34 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> >> Hywel Mallett wrote:
> >>
> >>> PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Standby
> >> Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term?
> >> I think the slogan should be
> >>
> >> "PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves"
> >
> > Uh, no.
> >
> > Joshua D. Drake
> >
>
> LOL. Alvaro, that's the funniest one yet.
>
> Ah, come on Joshua. Just think how packed your booth will be at OSCON.
> We have some babes in leather handcuffed to a pole... and the pens with
> the girls that strip when you turn them upside down. Ok, probably not.

Can I suggest this themed video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkVzQ1dJ7I8

--
Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> http://momjian.us
EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com

+ If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +

On 1/28/10 7:53 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Andrej escribió:
>> 2010/1/29 Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>:
>>> Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term?
>>> I think the slogan should be
>>>
>>> "PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves"
>> Now *that* raises all sorts of weird connotations I'm afraid :}
>
> Well, that was kind of *the point* :-D (Yes, it was a joke. Perhaps I
> didn't take this thread with all the seriousness it merits.)
> BTW sorry if I offended sensibilities.

Since this thread has been *so* serious up until now.

--Josh Berkus

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Greg Smith <greg(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> wrote:

> Greg Stark wrote:
>
>> I like:
>>
>> The Elephant Never Forgets Adrian Klaver
>>>
>>> "Never Forgets" was the slogan for Elephant Memory Systems, a maker of
> floppy disks during the early 80's:
> http://home.comcast.net/~kevin_d_clark/ems/

ICANHAZMUG?

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--
greg

2010/1/29 Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>:
>> The Database for Restful Nights    Adrian Klaver
>> The Elephant Never Forgets    Adrian Klaver
>> Stability,Extendability,Community    Adrian Klaver
>> Now with Hot Slaves    Alvaro Herrera

I really like the suggestions by Adrian Klaver, particularly "The
Elephant Never Forgets".

In the spirit of Alvaro Herrera suggestion I would like to put forward:
PostgreSQL: Now with HOT, hot slaves... and TOAST!

--
Rob Wultsch
wultsch(at)gmail(dot)com

On mån, 2010-01-25 at 11:30 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions
> for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it
> to a vote on a survey site somewhere.

Given that we have about 100 suggestions now and this mailing list
thread is surely not going to resolve the matter, I went ahead and
imported the suggestions so far into a voting system. Perhaps this will
give us some idea about the direction people want to go.

Knock yourself out:
http://postgresql.uservoice.com/forums/39779-new-slogan