Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
the mailing lists?

The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from
the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some
stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be
the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to
be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?

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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
> the mailing lists?

Heck no. I have no desire to use USENET.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

>
> The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus
> from the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving
> some stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this
> to be the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers
> happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
>
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"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org> writes:
> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
> the mailing lists?

No. I abandoned Usenet years ago.

regards, tom lane

Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
> the mailing lists?

No.

Regards
Gaetano Mendola

On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:03 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
> the mailing lists?

Is there a reliable, fast, public news server out there which would
carry it at reasonable speed (my ISP updates their groups nightly --
completely useless).

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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Rod Taylor wrote:

> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:03 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
>> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
>> the mailing lists?
>
> Is there a reliable, fast, public news server out there which would
> carry it at reasonable speed (my ISP updates their groups nightly --
> completely useless).

news.postgresql.org?

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> > Is there a reliable, fast, public news server out there which would
> > carry it at reasonable speed (my ISP updates their groups nightly --
> > completely useless).
>
> news.postgresql.org?

Didn't know that existed...

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Rod Taylor wrote:

>>> Is there a reliable, fast, public news server out there which would
>>> carry it at reasonable speed (my ISP updates their groups nightly --
>>> completely useless).
>>
>> news.postgresql.org?
>
> Didn't know that existed...

Ack ... its never been 'hidden', but its also never been fully advertised
either ...

I'm tempted to write a 'monthly FAQ' that gets posted that talks about the
usenet gateway, as well as how to do such seemingly simple things like
"how to unsubscribe to the lists" ...

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I was wondering if there is a better solution than mailing lists.
My experience is that mailing lists are somewat combersome to use.
Especially when your postings do not arrive!

-----Original Message-----
From: pgsql-hackers-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org
[mailto:pgsql-hackers-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:04 PM
To: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...

If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the
mailing lists?

The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from
the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some
stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be
the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to be
... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?

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>>
>> Didn't know that existed...
>
>
> Ack ... its never been 'hidden', but its also never been fully
> advertised either ...

To be fair, I didn't know it existed until the whole usenet thing popped
up either.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

>
> I'm tempted to write a 'monthly FAQ' that gets posted that talks about
> the usenet gateway, as well as how to do such seemingly simple things
> like "how to unsubscribe to the lists" ...
>
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Gevik Babakhani wrote:

> I was wondering if there is a better solution than mailing lists.
> My experience is that mailing lists are somewat combersome to use.
> Especially when your postings do not arrive!

When they don't arrive? *raised eyebrow* You having a problem? :(

I don't know about everyone else, but my personal preference for mailing
lists is due to the lack of spam that gets to them, something that you
can't really do easily on Usenet ...

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"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org> writes:

> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the
> mailing lists?
>
> The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from the
> lists to usenet ...

They're nuts. The only "exodus" would be in the form of people posting one-off
questions not bothering to subscribe before posting.

It seems to me that the news interface is useful if it's a list you don't read
regularly. You just check periodically to see if there's anything on a
particular topic (like to see how a new release is faring before upgrading) or
to post the occasional support question without wanting to be subscribed all
the time.

On that basis it seems to me the only list that makes sense to gateway to
USENET is pgsql-general. That's the outward-facing list for people to ask
support one-off questions on. The rest of the lists should really be mailing
lists for ongoing internal discussion.

The news.postgresql.org interface should satisfy people who want the
news-style user interface but with the serious-subscribers-only type of
environment.

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Maybe it is me but, I am trying to send a posting regarding a solution
proposal for a TODO item.
My posting has a .tgz attachment but it seems that it never arives at
hackers list!
This is very frustrating. I even ask Bruce for help.

-----Original Message-----
From: pgsql-hackers-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org
[mailto:pgsql-hackers-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:24 PM
To: Gevik Babakhani
Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Gevik Babakhani wrote:

> I was wondering if there is a better solution than mailing lists.
> My experience is that mailing lists are somewat combersome to use.
> Especially when your postings do not arrive!

When they don't arrive? *raised eyebrow* You having a problem? :(

I don't know about everyone else, but my personal preference for mailing
lists is due to the lack of spam that gets to them, something that you can't
really do easily on Usenet ...

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gevik(at)xs4all(dot)nl ("Gevik Babakhani") writes:

>Maybe it is me but, I am trying to send a posting regarding a solution
>proposal for a TODO item.
>My posting has a .tgz attachment but it seems that it never arives at
>hackers list!
>This is very frustrating. I even ask Bruce for help.

how big is the message? *raised eyebrow* depending on size, it might get
caught up in the queue to be approved ... the only other possibility is that
the anti-virus or anti-spam checkers are picking it up ...

what i'd recommend is putting it up on a URL and posting the URL so that ppl
can download it ...

>-----Original Message-----
>From: pgsql-hackers-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org
>[mailto:pgsql-hackers-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier
>Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:24 PM
>To: Gevik Babakhani
>Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
>Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...

>On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Gevik Babakhani wrote:

>> I was wondering if there is a better solution than mailing lists.
>> My experience is that mailing lists are somewat combersome to use.
>> Especially when your postings do not arrive!

>When they don't arrive? *raised eyebrow* You having a problem? :(

>I don't know about everyone else, but my personal preference for mailing
>lists is due to the lack of spam that gets to them, something that you can't
>really do easily on Usenet ...

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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus
> from the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving
> some stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this
> to be the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers
> happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?

No, not for me.

Joe

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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the
> mailing lists?

No. Using mailing lists is what I prefer since about '95.

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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created
> and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs
> using the mailing lists?

No.

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On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:03 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
> the mailing lists?

No.

-Neil

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

>
> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
> the mailing lists?
>
> The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from
> the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some
> stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be
> the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to
> be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?

No.

Gavin

Gavin Sherry wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> >
> > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
> > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
> > the mailing lists?
> >
> > The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from
> > the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some
> > stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be
> > the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to
> > be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
>
> No.

Yes ... well, actually ... no. I just wanted to be different. :-)

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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Gavin Sherry wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
>>> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
>>> the mailing lists?
>>>
>>> The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from
>>> the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some
>>> stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be
>>> the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to
>>> be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
>>
>> No.
>
> Yes ... well, actually ... no. I just wanted to be different. :-)

You watched "Night at the Roxbury" last night, didn't you? :)

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> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
> the mailing lists?

No, but I might use it from time to time. Although I abandoned newsgroups a
long time ago, they still serve a purpose.

> ...
> the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to
> be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?

Not personally preferable, but I feel that we should either be mailing list
only, or do things the right way, which means being underneath comp.* as
an official (moderated) newsgroup, and following the accepted standards.
(something we have always strived for in other areas). Thus, the true
question should be: do we support newsgrouping these lists or keep them
mailing list only? I'd rather do the latter than a broken implementation
of the former.

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Bruce Momjian <pgman(at)candle(dot)pha(dot)pa(dot)us> wrote:
>
> Gavin Sherry wrote:
> > On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
> > > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
> > > the mailing lists?
> > >
> > > The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from
> > > the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some
> > > stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be
> > > the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to
> > > be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
> >
> > No.
>
> Yes ... well, actually ... no. I just wanted to be different. :-)

Personally, I'd frequent whichever venue had the most utility. That
being said: I much prefer the Usenet mechanism over either mailing
lists or web-based bulletin-boards for non-real-time group
discussions.

Jim

On 11/29/2004 11:03 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus
> from the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving
> some stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this
> to be the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers
> happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?

I simply gate the maillist traffic in to sn (small news server) and use
that. Not sure I wan't to rely on my warez/dvd repository for real
information...

But that is just me :)

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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
> the mailing lists?

No. (yes, I'm still here :)

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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

>
> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
> the mailing lists?

Trying this again with the right From address...

No. (and yes, I'm still here :)

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On 11/29/2004 2:03 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
> the mailing lists?

Certainly not.

Jan

>
> The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from
> the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some
> stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be
> the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to
> be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
>
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