Re: Wiki?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Joshua D. Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
To: "Peter Eisentraut" <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>
Cc: "Robert Treat" <xzilla(at)users(dot)sourceforge(dot)net>; "pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org" <pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Sent: 16/07/06 17:38
Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki?

> Oh -- so you want a wiki for developer content? That is different.

And sounds like a fine idea (I wouldn't want a wiki for user docs).

Sounds like an ideal new use for developer.postgresql.org. Any objections? What wiki?

/D

D,

> Sounds like an ideal new use for developer.postgresql.org. Any objections?
> What wiki?

mediapgwiki? Or Trac+Wiki? Those seem like the two obvious choices.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Berkus [mailto:josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com]
> Sent: 16 July 2006 19:11
> To: pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org
> Cc: Dave Page; Joshua D. Drake; Peter Eisentraut; Robert Treat
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki?
>
> D,

:-)

> > Sounds like an ideal new use for developer.postgresql.org.
> Any objections?
> > What wiki?
>
> mediapgwiki? Or Trac+Wiki? Those seem like the two
> obvious choices.

OK, I'll bung it on my TODO. Might be a slight delay as we're still
recovering from a lightning strike at work so things are a touch hectic
atm, especially given staff holidays and other absences :-(

JD: This would obviously be separate from the other Trac+Wiki that we
already discussed, so please don't pull Devrim off that job!

Regards, Dave.

>
> OK, I'll bung it on my TODO. Might be a slight delay as we're still
> recovering from a lightning strike at work so things are a touch hectic
> atm, especially given staff holidays and other absences :-(
>
> JD: This would obviously be separate from the other Trac+Wiki that we
> already discussed, so please don't pull Devrim off that job!

No problem. I can setup trac in about 15 minutes. Let me review what is
going on, on that machine and I will get back to the list shortly.

Joshua D. Drake

>
> Regards, Dave.
>
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Josh Berkus wrote:
> mediapgwiki? Or Trac+Wiki? Those seem like the two obvious
> choices.

mediapgwiki is fine, if it's anything like the Wikipedia wiki. Trac
seems to provide a lot more than a wiki, which we don't need for this.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net]
> Sent: 16 July 2006 20:37
> To: Josh Berkus
> Cc: pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org; Dave Page; Joshua D. Drake; Robert Treat
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki?
>
> Josh Berkus wrote:
> > mediapgwiki? Or Trac+Wiki? Those seem like the two obvious
> > choices.
>
> mediapgwiki is fine, if it's anything like the Wikipedia wiki. Trac
> seems to provide a lot more than a wiki, which we don't need for this.

Except I can't find it - only 1 single Google reference in an OSDL text
file. Is that name right?

Regards, Dave.

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Peter Eisentraut wrote:

> Josh Berkus wrote:
>> mediapgwiki? Or Trac+Wiki? Those seem like the two obvious
>> choices.
>
> mediapgwiki is fine, if it's anything like the Wikipedia wiki. Trac
> seems to provide a lot more than a wiki, which we don't need for this.

Do we want to set this up as a replacement for developer.postgresql.org?
Does anyone feel up to being responsible for admin/setup? I can install,
that's the easy part ...

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Dave,

> Except I can't find it - only 1 single Google reference in an OSDL text
> file. Is that name right?

pgfoundry.org/projects/wikipedia

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Josh Berkus
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San Francisco

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Dave Page wrote:

>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net]
>> Sent: 16 July 2006 20:37
>> To: Josh Berkus
>> Cc: pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org; Dave Page; Joshua D. Drake; Robert Treat
>> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki?
>>
>> Josh Berkus wrote:
>>> mediapgwiki? Or Trac+Wiki? Those seem like the two obvious
>>> choices.
>>
>> mediapgwiki is fine, if it's anything like the Wikipedia wiki. Trac
>> seems to provide a lot more than a wiki, which we don't need for this.
>
> Except I can't find it - only 1 single Google reference in an OSDL text
> file. Is that name right?

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki for PostgreSQL ... is what I'm
gathering ...

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On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Josh Berkus wrote:

> Dave,
>
>> Except I can't find it - only 1 single Google reference in an OSDL text
>> file. Is that name right?
>
> pgfoundry.org/projects/wikipedia

Just found it too ... cool :)

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org]
> Sent: 16 July 2006 20:52
> To: Josh Berkus
> Cc: Dave Page; Peter Eisentraut; pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org;
> Joshua D. Drake; Robert Treat
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki?
>
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Josh Berkus wrote:
>
> > Dave,
> >
> >> Except I can't find it - only 1 single Google reference in
> an OSDL text
> >> file. Is that name right?
> >
> > pgfoundry.org/projects/wikipedia
>
> Just found it too ... cool :)

Thanks Josh. If you wanna install it Marc, please go ahead. It'll save
me a job :-) If not, just yell.

I was thinking that it would work well right at the root of
developer.postgresql.org...

/D

Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> Do we want to set this up as a replacement for
> developer.postgresql.org?

I'd imagine wiki.postgresql.org -- it doesn't have to be *strictly* for
developers after all. You can probably set up the virtual host name
easily.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net]
> Sent: 16 July 2006 21:01
> To: Marc G. Fournier
> Cc: Josh Berkus; pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org; Dave Page; Joshua
> D. Drake; Robert Treat
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki?
>
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > Do we want to set this up as a replacement for
> > developer.postgresql.org?
>
> I'd imagine wiki.postgresql.org -- it doesn't have to be
> *strictly* for
> developers after all. You can probably set up the virtual host name
> easily.

I disagree - I think it should be firmly targetted at developers to
prevent it becoming an unofficial documentation site, possibly
containing misleading or inaccurate information. I don't see this as
something we should expect to have to moderate/proof read.

Regards, Dave.

> I disagree - I think it should be firmly targetted at developers to
> prevent it becoming an unofficial documentation site, possibly
> containing misleading or inaccurate information. I don't see this as
> something we should expect to have to moderate/proof read.
>
> Regards, Dave.
>

O.k. hold on. Who is doing this, Marc or Me? I really don't care which
but I also don't want to duplicate efforts. I was going to put it on the
same machines as search.postgresql.org.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Dave Page wrote:

> Thanks Josh. If you wanna install it Marc, please go ahead. It'll save
> me a job :-) If not, just yell.
>
> I was thinking that it would work well right at the root of
> developer.postgresql.org...

I will make it this weeks project, and report back when its up and at tha
tURL ...

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On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Dave Page wrote:

>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net]
>> Sent: 16 July 2006 21:01
>> To: Marc G. Fournier
>> Cc: Josh Berkus; pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org; Dave Page; Joshua
>> D. Drake; Robert Treat
>> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki?
>>
>> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>>> Do we want to set this up as a replacement for
>>> developer.postgresql.org?
>>
>> I'd imagine wiki.postgresql.org -- it doesn't have to be
>> *strictly* for
>> developers after all. You can probably set up the virtual host name
>> easily.
>
> I disagree - I think it should be firmly targetted at developers to
> prevent it becoming an unofficial documentation site, possibly
> containing misleading or inaccurate information. I don't see this as
> something we should expect to have to moderate/proof read.

I'm going to set it up as developer.postgresql.org for now ... if we so
desire, after playing with it, to extend taht into wiki.postgresql.org,
that shouldn't pose a problem, or set it up as a seperate site from the
developers one ...

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com]
> Sent: 16 July 2006 21:29
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: Peter Eisentraut; Marc G. Fournier; Josh Berkus;
> pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org; Robert Treat
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Wiki?
>
>
> > I disagree - I think it should be firmly targetted at developers to
> > prevent it becoming an unofficial documentation site, possibly
> > containing misleading or inaccurate information. I don't see this as
> > something we should expect to have to moderate/proof read.
> >
> > Regards, Dave.
> >
>
> O.k. hold on. Who is doing this, Marc or Me? I really don't
> care which
> but I also don't want to duplicate efforts. I was going to
> put it on the
> same machines as search.postgresql.org.

I believe it should be the new developer.postgresql.org, thus it's a job
for Marc (or me).

The 'other' one that you/Devrim are doing is a private trac/wiki for the
web team/server admins to document everything which Gavin will run for
us.

Regards, Dave

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

>
>> I disagree - I think it should be firmly targetted at developers to
>> prevent it becoming an unofficial documentation site, possibly
>> containing misleading or inaccurate information. I don't see this as
>> something we should expect to have to moderate/proof read.
>>
>> Regards, Dave.
>>
>
> O.k. hold on. Who is doing this, Marc or Me? I really don't care which but I
> also don't want to duplicate efforts. I was going to put it on the same
> machines as search.postgresql.org.

I'm setting up mediawiki for pg on the developer.postgresql.org subdomain
...

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org]
> Sent: 16 July 2006 21:40
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Josh Berkus; Peter Eisentraut;
> pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org; Joshua D. Drake; Robert Treat
> Subject: RE: [pgsql-www] Wiki?
>
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Dave Page wrote:
>
> > Thanks Josh. If you wanna install it Marc, please go ahead.
> It'll save
> > me a job :-) If not, just yell.
> >
> > I was thinking that it would work well right at the root of
> > developer.postgresql.org...
>
> I will make it this weeks project, and report back when its
> up and at tha
> tURL ...

:-) Cool, thanks.

/D

> I believe it should be the new developer.postgresql.org, thus it's a job
> for Marc (or me).

Not sure how either is relevant ;) but o.k. Long and short... if you
guys want to use the machine that search is on, please feel free. Dave
you have sudo rights on that machine so it should not be a problem.

>
> The 'other' one that you/Devrim are doing is a private trac/wiki for the
> web team/server admins to document everything which Gavin will run for
> us.

Right which can also be on the same machine as search.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

>
> Regards, Dave
>

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If you are going with MediaWiki (which I strongly recommend), please
use the latest version (svn trunk[1]) as it has the most advanced
PostgreSQL support. Robert Treat and I are working hard on correcting
the last of the mysqlisms. :)

1. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN

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