Re: BETA

I think it might be time to think about shipping a beta release. I
guess this is a -core decision, but I can't argue for it there, so
I'll argue for it here. It seems like we're about ready, so maybe we
could plan for a beta, say, a week from now?

Here's a quick run-down of the remaining open items at
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_9.0_Open_Items ...

- Fix to_char('L') (localization) on Win32 when the operating system
character encoding does not match the database encoding
Seems like we're close to a fix on this, but even if not, I don't see
why this should be considered a blocker for beta.

- Thread safety and libxml2
A proposed patch is available, but nobody seems to care enough to
bother testing it, so I can't get excited about postponing beta for
it.

- fix flight of fancy in InitPostgres
Tom is looking at this, so it will be fixed in 17 microseconds.

clarify HS error message when WAL settings are no good
- This is just a case of adjusting an error message, no reason we
can't wrap it up in the next couple of days.

Improve behavior of SUSET GUC variables added by loadable modules?
- Tom's looking at this, too.

The replication connections consume superuser_reserved_connections slots.
- I will fix this.

Tuning of KnownAssignedXids module
- This is important, but Simon has a patch he thinks will fix it.
Could use some more testing, but again, no reason this can't get done
in the next week.

There are also two "documentation" issues listed; but I believe these
can wait for 9.0 final. Greg Smith tells me he's still cranking away
at figuring out what advice we can best offer.

/me pushes luck

And how about a set of back-branch releases while we're at it?

/me also volunteers to help, assuming anyone thinks that any of the
above is a good idea

...Robert

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:

> /me pushes luck
>
> And how about a set of back-branch releases while we're at it?

Yes, please don't push your luck :-p

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On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 18:23 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>
> > /me pushes luck
> >
> > And how about a set of back-branch releases while we're at it?
>
> Yes, please don't push your luck :-p

/me gives Dave an "Easy" button.

>
>
>
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:

> /me pushes luck
>
> And how about a set of back-branch releases while we're at it?

We tend to try and avoid overlapping a "release" with a "beta" to avoid
confusion ... but didn't we just do a fresh back branch release anyway?

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On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 18:23 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>> > /me pushes luck
>> >
>> > And how about a set of back-branch releases while we're at it?
>>
>> Yes, please don't push your luck :-p
>
> /me gives Dave an "Easy" button.

/me offers to fix JD's parser to handle smileys.

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> - Fix to_char('L') (localization) on Win32 when the operating system
> character encoding does not match the database encoding
> Seems like we're close to a fix on this, but even if not, I don't see
> why this should be considered a blocker for beta.

If this isn't an issue specific to 9.0, I agree.

> - Thread safety and libxml2
> A proposed patch is available, but nobody seems to care enough to
> bother testing it, so I can't get excited about postponing beta for
> it.

More importantly, this isn't a new issue.

> Improve behavior of SUSET GUC variables added by loadable modules?
> - Tom's looking at this, too.

Is this an issue specific to 9.0?

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On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> wrote:
>> Improve behavior of SUSET GUC variables added by loadable modules?
>> - Tom's looking at this, too.
>
> Is this an issue specific to 9.0?

http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2010-04/msg00865.php

...Robert

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy(at)hub(dot)org> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
>
>> /me pushes luck
>>
>> And how about a set of back-branch releases while we're at it?
>
> We tend to try and avoid overlapping a "release" with a "beta" to avoid
> confusion ... but didn't we just do a fresh back branch release anyway?

Eh, so we did. How did I miss that? 8.4.3 was released 2010-03-05.
I was thinking 8.4.2 was still current.

Well, never mind that then. How about a beta next week?

...Robert

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:

> Well, never mind that then. How about a beta next week?

I'm good for that ...

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On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy(at)hub(dot)org> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
>> Well, never mind that then.  How about a beta next week?
>
> I'm good for that ...

Anyone else want to weigh in for or against this?

...Robert

On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy(at)hub(dot)org> wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
>>> Well, never mind that then.  How about a beta next week?
>>
>> I'm good for that ...
>
> Anyone else want to weigh in for or against this?

We're discussing scheduling on -core right now, triggered by your email,
and will put out a notice shortly ... although we did just do a back
branch release, we have a second one that has to be done, so we're trying
to balance schedules around doing both, but not simultaneously ...

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On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy(at)hub(dot)org> wrote:
> We're discussing scheduling on -core right now, triggered by your email, and
> will put out a notice shortly ... although we did just do a back branch
> release, we have a second one that has to be done, so we're trying to
> balance schedules around doing both, but not simultaneously ...

OK, thanks!

...Robert

Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> writes:
> I think it might be time to think about shipping a beta release. I
> guess this is a -core decision, but I can't argue for it there, so
> I'll argue for it here. It seems like we're about ready, so maybe we
> could plan for a beta, say, a week from now?

A bit of discussion among -core and -packagers has not turned up any
objections, so we'll plan to wrap beta1 on Thursday 29th for public
announcement Monday 5/3.

regards, tom lane