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From: | Martin Marques <martin(at)bugs(dot)unl(dot)edu(dot)ar> |
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Subject: | Relational data model dead? |
Date: | 2003-12-15 22:08:49 |
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Has someone read this: http://www.wiscorp.com/sql/Sql99_p2.zip
Are this guys at Whitemarsh Information Systems Corporation important in the
SQL99 writing?
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From: | Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> |
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To: | Martin Marques <martin(at)bugs(dot)unl(dot)edu(dot)ar> |
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Subject: | Re: Relational data model dead? |
Date: | 2003-12-15 23:08:15 |
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Martin Marques <martin(at)bugs(dot)unl(dot)edu(dot)ar> writes:
> Has someone read this: http://www.wiscorp.com/sql/Sql99_p2.zip
I get a "not found"...
> Are this guys at Whitemarsh Information Systems Corporation important in the
> SQL99 writing?
Unlikely; if they are of the persuasion that relational DBs are
uninteresting, they'd hardly be spending time working on bigger and
better(?) standards for relational DBs.
"Relational databases are dead" has been a standard academic litany for
years now, but it has nothing to do with the real world AFAICS.
regards, tom lane
From: | Martin Marques <martin(at)bugs(dot)unl(dot)edu(dot)ar> |
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Subject: | Re: Relational data model dead? |
Date: | 2003-12-15 23:14:09 |
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El Lun 15 Dic 2003 20:08, escribió:
> Martin Marques <martin(at)bugs(dot)unl(dot)edu(dot)ar> writes:
> > Has someone read this: http://www.wiscorp.com/sql/Sql99_p2.zip
>
> I get a "not found"...
http://www.wiscorp.com/sql/Sql99_p1.zip
Sorry, my wrong.
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From: | Bruce Momjian <pgman(at)candle(dot)pha(dot)pa(dot)us> |
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To: | Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> |
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Subject: | Re: Relational data model dead? |
Date: | 2003-12-15 23:18:45 |
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Tom Lane wrote:
> Martin Marques <martin(at)bugs(dot)unl(dot)edu(dot)ar> writes:
> > Has someone read this: http://www.wiscorp.com/sql/Sql99_p2.zip
>
> I get a "not found"...
>
> > Are this guys at Whitemarsh Information Systems Corporation important in the
> > SQL99 writing?
>
> Unlikely; if they are of the persuasion that relational DBs are
> uninteresting, they'd hardly be spending time working on bigger and
> better(?) standards for relational DBs.
>
> "Relational databases are dead" has been a standard academic litany for
> years now, but it has nothing to do with the real world AFAICS.
Maybe it means there isn't anything interesting to study about
relational databases. From an academic perspective, the fact it meets
people's needs is beyond the point. :-)
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From: | Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)libertyrms(dot)info> |
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Subject: | Re: Relational data model dead? |
Date: | 2003-12-15 23:21:35 |
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tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us (Tom Lane) writes:
> "Relational databases are dead" has been a standard academic litany for
> years now, but it has nothing to do with the real world AFAICS.
The fundamental problem there is that it is difficult for academics to
come up with original research surrounding relational databases. This
may make them a poor area of study for academics, but implies nothing
about their usefulness in practice.
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From: | Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)dcc(dot)uchile(dot)cl> |
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To: | Martin Marques <martin(at)bugs(dot)unl(dot)edu(dot)ar> |
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Subject: | Re: Relational data model dead? |
Date: | 2003-12-16 02:08:02 |
Message-ID: | 20031216020802.GB32217@dcc.uchile.cl |
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 08:14:09PM -0300, Martin Marques wrote:
> El Lun 15 Dic 2003 20:08, escribió:
> > Martin Marques <martin(at)bugs(dot)unl(dot)edu(dot)ar> writes:
> > > Has someone read this: http://www.wiscorp.com/sql/Sql99_p2.zip
> >
> > I get a "not found"...
>
> http://www.wiscorp.com/sql/Sql99_p1.zip
>
> Sorry, my wrong.
AFAICS it only talks about how SQL99 extends the previous data models ...
(SQL92, etc). So it's not so much a death of the relational model.
Looks like more an attempt at getting attention than the typical
academic dismiss of "real world theory."
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