Re: speaking of 8.4...

is it looking like the simple replication will make it into 8.4?

if so, are there any docs or notes I could peruse on how this will
work? what it will use to ship the WAL logs, etc ? I've poked around
the -hacker mail list archives and not found too much on it.

Hi,

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:16 AM, John R Pierce <pierce(at)hogranch(dot)com> wrote:
> is it looking like the simple replication will make it into 8.4?

You mean the built-in synchronous replication feature? If so, no.
It was decided that synch-rep will be postponed to 8.5.

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What? Hot standby won't make it in 8.4?

That's a shame...

----- Messaggio originale -----
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> Inviato: Martedì 24 febbraio 2009, 20:47:05
> Oggetto: Re: [GENERAL] speaking of 8.4...
>
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:16 AM, John R Pierce wrote:
> > is it looking like the simple replication will make it into 8..4?
>
> You mean the built-in synchronous replication feature? If so, no.
> It was decided that synch-rep will be postponed to 8.5.
>
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Scara Maccai <m_lists(at)yahoo(dot)it> wrote:
> What? Hot standby won't make it in 8.4?

Hot standby != synch-rep.

The former is still being reviewed, though it's starting to look like
it's cutting it pretty fine for inclusion in 8.4.

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Dave Page a écrit :
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Scara Maccai <m_lists(at)yahoo(dot)it> wrote:
>> What? Hot standby won't make it in 8.4?
>
> Hot standby != synch-rep.
>
> The former is still being reviewed, though it's starting to look like
> it's cutting it pretty fine for inclusion in 8.4.
>

If you think Hot Standby will be in 8.4, we need to work on a UI that
uses the recovery control functions (as described on
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Hot_Standby#Dynamic_Control_of_Recovery).

If no-one already works on that, I would love to do it.

(of course, I'm still working on my server status patch...)

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On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Guillaume Lelarge
<guillaume(at)lelarge(dot)info> wrote:
> Dave Page a écrit :
>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Scara Maccai <m_lists(at)yahoo(dot)it> wrote:
>>> What? Hot standby won't make it in 8.4?
>>
>> Hot standby != synch-rep.
>>
>> The former is still being reviewed, though it's starting to look like
>> it's cutting it pretty fine for inclusion in 8.4.
>>
>
> If you think Hot Standby will be in 8.4, we need to work on a UI that
> uses the recovery control functions (as described on
> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Hot_Standby#Dynamic_Control_of_Recovery).
>
> If no-one already works on that, I would love to do it.

We're not going to get that done for 1.10. We freeze on Friday don't forget.

No reason we can't have a short 1.11 cycle though.... I'll probably
have some new features early in the new cycle too.

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Dave Page a écrit :
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Guillaume Lelarge
> <guillaume(at)lelarge(dot)info> wrote:
>> Dave Page a écrit :
>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Scara Maccai <m_lists(at)yahoo(dot)it> wrote:
>>>> What? Hot standby won't make it in 8.4?
>>> Hot standby != synch-rep.
>>>
>>> The former is still being reviewed, though it's starting to look like
>>> it's cutting it pretty fine for inclusion in 8.4.
>>>
>> If you think Hot Standby will be in 8.4, we need to work on a UI that
>> uses the recovery control functions (as described on
>> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Hot_Standby#Dynamic_Control_of_Recovery).
>>
>> If no-one already works on that, I would love to do it.
>
> We're not going to get that done for 1.10. We freeze on Friday don't forget.
>

Not trying to reconsider the freeze date, but do we know a bit more the
beta date for 8.4?

(/me trying to know when he'll have a bunch of translation's work :) )

> No reason we can't have a short 1.11 cycle though.... I'll probably
> have some new features early in the new cycle too.
>

OK, it could be good to have a short release this time.

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On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Guillaume Lelarge
<guillaume(at)lelarge(dot)info> wrote:

> Not trying to reconsider the freeze date, but do we know a bit more the
> beta date for 8.4?

Real soon I expect.

> (/me trying to know when he'll have a bunch of translation's work :) )

It wouldn't be a bad idea to start now.

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On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Scara Maccai <m_lists(at)yahoo(dot)it> wrote:
> > What? Hot standby won't make it in 8.4?
>
> Hot standby != synch-rep.
>
> The former is still being reviewed, though it's starting to look like
> it's cutting it pretty fine for inclusion in 8.4.
>
>
8.4 was scheduled to be released march 1. Do we know what the tentative
date of release is?

On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 10:19 +1300, Tim Uckun wrote:

>
>
> 8.4 was scheduled to be released march 1. Do we know what the

All schedules are subject to change within the community :)

> tentative date of release is?

When it is done of course.

Joshua D. Drake

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Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 10:19 +1300, Tim Uckun wrote:
>>
>> [according to some page on the web site...]
>> 8.4 was scheduled to be released march 1. Do we know what the
> All schedules are subject to change within the community :)
>> tentative date of release is?
>
> When it is done of course.

Perhaps that should be the official position communicated in
the various places on the web site.

I do notice that the Press FAQ with it's Q4 2008 guess
is even more optimistic than the other page on the website
people seem to be finding that implies March.

http://www.postgresql.org/about/press/faq
Q: When will 8.4 come out?
A: Historically, PostgreSQL has released approximately
every 12 months and there is no desire in the community
to change from that pattern. So expect 8.4 sometime in
the fourth quarter of 2008.

On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 15:27 -0800, Ron Mayer wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 10:19 +1300, Tim Uckun wrote:
> >>
> >> [according to some page on the web site...]
> >> 8.4 was scheduled to be released march 1. Do we know what the
> > All schedules are subject to change within the community :)
> >> tentative date of release is?
> >
> > When it is done of course.
>
> Perhaps that should be the official position communicated in
> the various places on the web site.
>
> I do notice that the Press FAQ with it's Q4 2008 guess
> is even more optimistic than the other page on the website
> people seem to be finding that implies March.
>
> http://www.postgresql.org/about/press/faq
> Q: When will 8.4 come out?
> A: Historically, PostgreSQL has released approximately
> every 12 months and there is no desire in the community
> to change from that pattern. So expect 8.4 sometime in
> the fourth quarter of 2008.
>

Wow that must have been written some time ago I don't think anyone
thought we would hit that date in any recent (say last 6-8 months).

Joshua D. Drake

>
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Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 15:27 -0800, Ron Mayer wrote:
>> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 10:19 +1300, Tim Uckun wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 8.4 was scheduled to be released march 1. ...
>>
>> I do notice that the Press FAQ with it's Q4 2008 guess
>> is even more optimistic ...
>
> Wow that must have been written some time ago I don't think anyone
> thought we would hit that date in any recent (say last 6-8 months).
>

That press FAQ page is often sadly amusing.

Back in Jan 2008 that same page stated that 8.3 "would" come out
in July 2007:
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2008-01/msg00235.php

But that's not nearly as sad as the Chinese FAQs that state that
the latest version of Postgres is 8.2.1 or 8.2.3 depending on
whether you prefer traditional or simplified writing styles.
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ_chinese_simp.html
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ_chinese_trad.html
And for german speakers, their newest is 8.2.5
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ_german.html
Basically for all the languages you get a different "lateset"
release.

Surely these FAQ entries are doing more harm than good.

Can we please just update all of these to link to some page
where the actual latest version is instead; and replace the
forward-looking expectations with something that is less
misleading?

On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 15:41 -0800, Ron Mayer wrote:

> Back in Jan 2008 that same page stated that 8.3 "would" come out
> in July 2007:
> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2008-01/msg00235.php
>
> But that's not nearly as sad as the Chinese FAQs that state that
> the latest version of Postgres is 8.2.1 or 8.2.3 depending on
> whether you prefer traditional or simplified writing styles.
> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ_chinese_simp.html
> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ_chinese_trad.html
> And for german speakers, their newest is 8.2.5
> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ_german.html
> Basically for all the languages you get a different "lateset"
> release.
>

I can fix the press faq but the others will have to go to the
translators project.

Joshua D. Drake

> Surely these FAQ entries are doing more harm than good.
>
> Can we please just update all of these to link to some page
> where the actual latest version is instead; and replace the
> forward-looking expectations with something that is less
> misleading?
>
>
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