Re: announcing beta on pg homepage

I am thinking perhaps we could update the 8.0 now available box to announce
the 8.1 beta release. Does anyone feel strongly against that idea? Does
anyone have any artwork they would like to suggest to be put into the box?

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Robert Treat wrote:
> I am thinking perhaps we could update the 8.0 now available box to announce
> the 8.1 beta release. Does anyone feel strongly against that idea? Does
> anyone have any artwork they would like to suggest to be put into the box?

Good idea, but do people who are using the beta know to report things on
hackers?

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On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:09, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Robert Treat wrote:
> > I am thinking perhaps we could update the 8.0 now available box to announce
> > the 8.1 beta release. Does anyone feel strongly against that idea? Does
> > anyone have any artwork they would like to suggest to be put into the box?
>
> Good idea, but do people who are using the beta know to report things on
> hackers?
>

Presumably the "whats new in 8.0" link will be replaced with a link to
"Participate in the Beta Program" which would probably point to
http://www.postgresql.org/developer/beta. On that page we can put up in
big flashing letters "Please report all bugs/problems to the
pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql mailing list"

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Robert, Bruce,

> Presumably the "whats new in 8.0" link will be replaced with a link to
> "Participate in the Beta Program" which would probably point to
> http://www.postgresql.org/developer/beta. On that page we can put up in
> big flashing letters "Please report all bugs/problems to the
> pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql mailing list"

Um, shouldn't they report to pgsql-bugs(at)postgresql(dot)org, or use the webform?
We don't exactly want a bunch of "I can't connect to the database" appearing
on -hackers.

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Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco

Josh Berkus wrote:
> Robert, Bruce,
>
> > Presumably the "whats new in 8.0" link will be replaced with a link to
> > "Participate in the Beta Program" which would probably point to
> > http://www.postgresql.org/developer/beta. On that page we can put up in
> > big flashing letters "Please report all bugs/problems to the
> > pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql mailing list"
>
> Um, shouldn't they report to pgsql-bugs(at)postgresql(dot)org, or use the webform?
> We don't exactly want a bunch of "I can't connect to the database" appearing
> on -hackers.

Yes, they can use bugs, but they should also be subscribed to hackers so
they can get information about changes.

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On Wednesday 24 August 2005 12:15, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Josh Berkus wrote:
> > Robert, Bruce,
> >
> > > Presumably the "whats new in 8.0" link will be replaced with a link to
> > > "Participate in the Beta Program" which would probably point to
> > > http://www.postgresql.org/developer/beta. On that page we can put up
> > > in big flashing letters "Please report all bugs/problems to the
> > > pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql mailing list"
> >
> > Um, shouldn't they report to pgsql-bugs(at)postgresql(dot)org, or use the
> > webform? We don't exactly want a bunch of "I can't connect to the
> > database" appearing on -hackers.
>
> Yes, they can use bugs, but they should also be subscribed to hackers so
> they can get information about changes.

Ok, I've done a quick mock up at http://xzilla.postgresql.org/, which links to
a revised http://xzilla.postgresql.org/developer/beta.

If people are ok with the general scheme, I'll go about updating the links as
needed and encorporating any word changes by those who know better what kind
of action we should be suggesting

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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Josh Berkus wrote:
>> Robert, Bruce,
>>
>>> Presumably the "whats new in 8.0" link will be replaced with a link to
>>> "Participate in the Beta Program" which would probably point to
>>> http://www.postgresql.org/developer/beta. On that page we can put up in
>>> big flashing letters "Please report all bugs/problems to the
>>> pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql mailing list"
>>
>> Um, shouldn't they report to pgsql-bugs(at)postgresql(dot)org, or use the webform?
>> We don't exactly want a bunch of "I can't connect to the database" appearing
>> on -hackers.
>
> Yes, they can use bugs, but they should also be subscribed to hackers so
> they can get information about changes.

I don't agree with this, mainly because it will limit the # willing to do
beta testing if it requires getting inundated with yet another list ... we
should be encouraging ppl to download and report bugs, not trying to limit
them :(

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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Robert Treat wrote:

> On Wednesday 24 August 2005 12:15, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>> Josh Berkus wrote:
>>> Robert, Bruce,
>>>
>>>> Presumably the "whats new in 8.0" link will be replaced with a link to
>>>> "Participate in the Beta Program" which would probably point to
>>>> http://www.postgresql.org/developer/beta. On that page we can put up
>>>> in big flashing letters "Please report all bugs/problems to the
>>>> pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql mailing list"
>>>
>>> Um, shouldn't they report to pgsql-bugs(at)postgresql(dot)org, or use the
>>> webform? We don't exactly want a bunch of "I can't connect to the
>>> database" appearing on -hackers.
>>
>> Yes, they can use bugs, but they should also be subscribed to hackers so
>> they can get information about changes.
>
> Ok, I've done a quick mock up at http://xzilla.postgresql.org/, which links to
> a revised http://xzilla.postgresql.org/developer/beta.
>
> If people are ok with the general scheme, I'll go about updating the links as
> needed and encorporating any word changes by those who know better what kind
> of action we should be suggesting

Another then that -hackers should be removed, the rest looks good ...

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Robert,

> Ok, I've done a quick mock up at http://xzilla.postgresql.org/, which links to
> a revised http://xzilla.postgresql.org/developer/beta.

Can you please replace the feature image on the homepage with this one
I've designed?

http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/postgresql/feature_gears.png

It should end up looking something like this:

http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/postgresql/screenshot_homepage_beta.png

Thanks!

Emily

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Emily Boyd wrote:

> Robert,
>
> > Ok, I've done a quick mock up at http://xzilla.postgresql.org/, which links to
> > a revised http://xzilla.postgresql.org/developer/beta.
>
> Can you please replace the feature image on the homepage with this one
> I've designed?
>
> http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/postgresql/feature_gears.png
>
> It should end up looking something like this:
>
> http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/postgresql/screenshot_homepage_beta.png

That imagine looks a lot better. It occured to me that a rusty cog might
not be the best image to associate with postgres.

Thanks,

Gavin

Can we get the font you used in the header, or the original PSD?
There are several community related sites like the PostgreSQL
Foundation site who use the same design concept but without matching
fonts.

Regards,

Gavin

On Aug 24, 2005, at 10:47 PM, Emily Boyd wrote:

> Robert,
>
>
>> Ok, I've done a quick mock up at http://xzilla.postgresql.org/,
>> which links to a revised http://xzilla.postgresql.org/developer/beta.
>>
>
> Can you please replace the feature image on the homepage with this one
> I've designed?
>
> http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/postgresql/feature_gears.png
>
> It should end up looking something like this:
>
> http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/postgresql/
> screenshot_homepage_beta.png
>
> Thanks!
>
> Emily
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Gavin Sherry <swm(at)alcove(dot)com(dot)au> writes:
> That imagine looks a lot better. It occured to me that a rusty cog might
> not be the best image to associate with postgres.

Emily's gears look good to me too. One other trivial gripe: "next
version of it's software" should be "next version of its software".
(My recollection from grade school is that "it's" is an abbreviation
for "it is", which does not fit here.) Or maybe you could make it
a little less impersonal by talking about "our software".

regards, tom lane

Gavin,

> Can we get the font you used in the header, or the original PSD? There
> are several community related sites like the PostgreSQL Foundation site
> who use the same design concept but without matching fonts.

I didn't actually use a font for the logo, as I just grabbed the
Illustrator file from here:

http://www.pgsql.com/graphics/Empowered_logos/

If you need to change the logo text, I *think* the font used is Strait.
I've uploaded a copy here:

http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/postgresql/strait.ttf

The font used for the text on the right is Frutiger Roman. (You'll need
to source your own copy of this, as it's not a free font.)

In case it helps, there's a layered PNG of the entire header here:

http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/postgresql/header.png

Regards,
Emily

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> That imagine looks a lot better. It occured to me that a rusty cog might
> not be the best image to associate with postgres.

I was trying to convince Robert of that very thing yesterday! I'd like to
see something like this, personally:

http://www.gtsm.com/newslonik.png

:)

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On Thursday 25 August 2005 01:50, Gavin Sherry wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Emily Boyd wrote:
> > Robert,
> >
> > > Ok, I've done a quick mock up at http://xzilla.postgresql.org/, which
> > > links to a revised http://xzilla.postgresql.org/developer/beta.
> >
> > Can you please replace the feature image on the homepage with this one
> > I've designed?
> >
> > http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/postgresql/feature_gears.png
> >
> > It should end up looking something like this:
> >
> > http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/postgresql/screenshot_homepage_beta.png
>
> That imagine looks a lot better. It occured to me that a rusty cog might
> not be the best image to associate with postgres.
>

It's a beta release, it's not suppose to be polished yet :-P

:-)

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On Thursday 25 August 2005 02:20, Tom Lane wrote:
> One other trivial gripe: "next
> version of it's software" should be "next version of its software".
> (My recollection from grade school is that "it's" is an abbreviation
> for "it is", which does not fit here.) Or maybe you could make it
> a little less impersonal by talking about "our software".
>
'Tis not as cut and dried as most people think:
http://www.word-detective.com/back-d.html#its

;-)

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Ack! :)

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:

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>> That imagine looks a lot better. It occured to me that a rusty cog might
>> not be the best image to associate with postgres.
>
> I was trying to convince Robert of that very thing yesterday! I'd like to
> see something like this, personally:
>
> http://www.gtsm.com/newslonik.png
>
> :)
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