Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Reminder of PUGs posting policy to News and -announce

WWW and moderators,

As a reminder, in our approval policy:
http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php/NewsEventsApproval

We decided that PUGS would be entitled to post to -announce and /about/news
for two kinds of meetings:

1. their very first meeting
2. extra-special events like developer days

... but not for regular meetings.

I'm mentioning this because within the last week we've had an attempted
posting of a regular monthly meeting, and the posting of a first meeting
appears to have been rejected. Since we'll have 5-8 new PUGS coming
online in the next 6 months, let's make sure to keep to the policy.
Thanks!

--
--Josh

Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL @ Sun
San Francisco

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:29:07 -0800
Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> wrote:

> WWW and moderators,
>
> As a reminder, in our approval policy:
> http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php/NewsEventsApproval
>
> We decided that PUGS would be entitled to post to -announce
> and /about/news for two kinds of meetings:
>
> 1. their very first meeting
> 2. extra-special events like developer days
>
> ... but not for regular meetings.
>
> I'm mentioning this because within the last week we've had an
> attempted posting of a regular monthly meeting, and the posting of a
> first meeting appears to have been rejected. Since we'll have 5-8
> new PUGS coming online in the next 6 months, let's make sure to keep
> to the policy. Thanks!
>

Does this policy exist outside of this post? (like on the wiki)

Joshua D. Drake

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[taking this off -www for a marketing discussion]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> wrote:
> WWW and moderators,
>
> As a reminder, in our approval policy:
> http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php/NewsEventsApproval
>
> We decided that PUGS would be entitled to post to -announce and /about/news
> for two kinds of meetings:
>
> 1. their very first meeting
> 2. extra-special events like developer days

Ok, that makes sense. If all 15+ groups posted all their meeting
announcements every month, it would probably double the traffic on
-announce :)

Do you have some suggestions for announcing the regional events? In
the past, groups seem to fade into obscurity after a few months --
even if they are meeting regularly. Posting only to the PUG lists I
think misses out on a huge opportunity to contact people who are
travelling, are new to PostgreSQL or didn't subscribe to their
regional mailing lists because of some other reason (not necessarily
because they never want to attend a meeting!).

Mailing lists are still the most effective way to let people know
about events (way better than blogs/rss/etc) -- and while some people
*do* search for regional information, most do not. Am I missing
another obvious place to post meeting announcements?

-selena

--
Selena Deckelmann
PDXPUG - Portland PostgreSQL Users Group
http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx
http://www.chesnok.com/daily

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:40:17 -0800
"Selena Deckelmann" <selenamarie(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:

> Do you have some suggestions for announcing the regional events? In
> the past, groups seem to fade into obscurity after a few months --
> even if they are meeting regularly. Posting only to the PUG lists I
> think misses out on a huge opportunity to contact people who are
> travelling, are new to PostgreSQL or didn't subscribe to their
> regional mailing lists because of some other reason (not necessarily
> because they never want to attend a meeting!).

What if we instead posted *once* monthly of all the meetings that are
going to happen?

Joshua D. Drake

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On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:40:17 -0800
> "Selena Deckelmann" <selenamarie(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>
> > Do you have some suggestions for announcing the regional events?
>
> What if we instead posted *once* monthly of all the meetings that are
> going to happen?

Oh! That's a good idea :)

Any objections? I could collect meeting announcements from the PUG
leaders and post something the first week of the month.

-selena

--
Selena Deckelmann
PDXPUG - Portland PostgreSQL Users Group
http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx
http://www.chesnok.com/daily

On Thursday 14 February 2008 14:36, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:29:07 -0800
>
> Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> wrote:
> > WWW and moderators,
> >
> > As a reminder, in our approval policy:
> > http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php/NewsEventsApproval
> >
> > We decided that PUGS would be entitled to post to -announce
> > and /about/news for two kinds of meetings:
> >
> > 1. their very first meeting
> > 2. extra-special events like developer days
> >
> > ... but not for regular meetings.
> >
> > I'm mentioning this because within the last week we've had an
> > attempted posting of a regular monthly meeting, and the posting of a
> > first meeting appears to have been rejected. Since we'll have 5-8
> > new PUGS coming online in the next 6 months, let's make sure to keep
> > to the policy. Thanks!
>
> Does this policy exist outside of this post? (like on the wiki)

How about reading my whole reply? Scroll up. ;-)

--
--Josh

Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL @ Sun
San Francisco

Selena, Josh,

> Oh! That's a good idea :)
>
> Any objections? I could collect meeting announcements from the PUG
> leaders and post something the first week of the month.

Actually, if you could collect them by Friday every week, the could go into
PWN.

I was trying to think if we could do something clever with RSS feeds, but I
couldn't think of anything.

--
--Josh

Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL @ Sun
San Francisco

Josh Berkus wrote:
> Selena, Josh,
>
>> Oh! That's a good idea :)
>>
>> Any objections? I could collect meeting announcements from the PUG
>> leaders and post something the first week of the month.
>
> Actually, if you could collect them by Friday every week, the could go into
> PWN.

+1 for that.

> I was trying to think if we could do something clever with RSS feeds, but I
> couldn't think of anything.

Well, we could create another category of events and do it that way if
we wanted to. Or an RSS feed off the pugs page itself?

//Magnus

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net> wrote:
> Josh Berkus wrote:
> > Selena, Josh,
> >
> >> Oh! That's a good idea :)
> >>
> >> Any objections? I could collect meeting announcements from the PUG
> >> leaders and post something the first week of the month.
> >
> > Actually, if you could collect them by Friday every week, the could go into
> > PWN.
>
> +1 for that.

I'll send them to David, also. (I didn't quite understand what PWN
meant until Josh's latest message. I kept thinking 'owned'.)

I am going to create a separate message, however, because too much
consolidation is going to make the announcements invisible. I read all
of the weekly news, every week, but I think many people skim it.

> > I was trying to think if we could do something clever with RSS feeds, but I
> > couldn't think of anything.
>
> Well, we could create another category of events and do it that way if
> we wanted to. Or an RSS feed off the pugs page itself?

Drupal automatically generates a number of feeds. For example, you
can go to http://pugs.postgresql.org/blog and you'll find the RSS for
all blog entries on the site is automatically generated.

-selena

--
Selena Deckelmann
PDXPUG - Portland PostgreSQL Users Group
http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx
http://www.chesnok.com/daily

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:05:59 -0800
Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> wrote:

> On Thursday 14 February 2008 14:36, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:29:07 -0800
> >
> > Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> wrote:
> > > WWW and moderators,
> > >
> > > As a reminder, in our approval policy:
> > > http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php/NewsEventsApproval

> How about reading my whole reply? Scroll up. ;-)
>

Bah! :P touche!

Joshua D. Drake

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On Thursday 14 February 2008 17:40, Selena Deckelmann wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> wrote:
> > We decided that PUGS would be entitled to post to -announce and /about/news
> > for two kinds of meetings:
> >
> > 1. their very first meeting
> > 2. extra-special events like developer days
>
> Ok, that makes sense. If all 15+ groups posted all their meeting
> announcements every month, it would probably double the traffic on
> -announce :)
>
> Do you have some suggestions for announcing the regional events?

What about using rss feeds for regular meetings and events?

robert

Joshua D. Drake wrote:
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> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:40:17 -0800
> "Selena Deckelmann" <selenamarie(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>
>> Do you have some suggestions for announcing the regional events? In
>> the past, groups seem to fade into obscurity after a few months --
>> even if they are meeting regularly. Posting only to the PUG lists I
>> think misses out on a huge opportunity to contact people who are
>> travelling, are new to PostgreSQL or didn't subscribe to their
>> regional mailing lists because of some other reason (not necessarily
>> because they never want to attend a meeting!).
>
> What if we instead posted *once* monthly of all the meetings that are
> going to happen?

Then create new list for events.

--
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PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 02:40:17PM -0800, Selena Marie Deckelmann wrote:
> [taking this off -www for a marketing discussion]
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> wrote:
> > WWW and moderators,
> >
> > As a reminder, in our approval policy:
> > http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php/NewsEventsApproval
> >
> > We decided that PUGS would be entitled to post to -announce and /about/news
> > for two kinds of meetings:
> >
> > 1. their very first meeting
> > 2. extra-special events like developer days
>
> Ok, that makes sense. If all 15+ groups posted all their meeting
> announcements every month, it would probably double the traffic on
> -announce :)
>
> Do you have some suggestions for announcing the regional events? In
> the past, groups seem to fade into obscurity after a few months --
> even if they are meeting regularly. Posting only to the PUG lists I
> think misses out on a huge opportunity to contact people who are
> travelling, are new to PostgreSQL or didn't subscribe to their
> regional mailing lists because of some other reason (not necessarily
> because they never want to attend a meeting!).
>
> Mailing lists are still the most effective way to let people know
> about events (way better than blogs/rss/etc) -- and while some
> people *do* search for regional information, most do not. Am I
> missing another obvious place to post meeting announcements?

Well, there's the local section of the Postgres Weekly News, so we
could batch them up into weekly chunks :)

Cheers,
David.
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