Re: gBorg status?

What's up there? It has been down all week.

We're trying to get the Slony-I 1.2 release out, so we can then
migrate over to pgFoundry. But that doesn't working terribly well
when gBorg's down...
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Also people trying to download slony have to do some
hunting to find things. The source only tar is not
available on pgfoundry.

one of them,

elein

On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 10:33:36AM -0400, Chris Browne wrote:
> What's up there? It has been down all week.
>
> We're trying to get the Slony-I 1.2 release out, so we can then
> migrate over to pgFoundry. But that doesn't working terribly well
> when gBorg's down...
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> is the heroin of operating systems, then VMS is barbiturate addiction,
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> sinuses with lucite and letting it set.) You owe the Oracle a
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elein(at)varlena(dot)com (elein) writes:
> Also people trying to download slony have to do some
> hunting to find things. The source only tar is not
> available on pgfoundry.

The source tarball for version 1.1.5 is now in place:
<http://pgfoundry.org/frs/download.php/1063/slony1-1.1.5.tar.bz2>

We may as well have at least that bit of backup.

I didn't bother putting up the documentation tarball; it is better to
grab a newer version of the docs.
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> Also people trying to download slony have to do some hunting
> to find things. The source only tar is not available on pgfoundry.

All gborg *downloads* are available on:
http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/projects/gborg/

Seems Slony hasn't released files using the gborg file release system,
perhaps? Because for some reason Slony stuff isn't there. But I figured
it'd be a good idea t oget that pointer in for people looking for
anything else off gborg that didn't know we mirrored those.

//Magnus

mha(at)sollentuna(dot)net ("Magnus Hagander") writes:
>> Also people trying to download slony have to do some hunting
>> to find things. The source only tar is not available on pgfoundry.
>
> All gborg *downloads* are available on:
> http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/projects/gborg/
>
> Seems Slony hasn't released files using the gborg file release system,
> perhaps? Because for some reason Slony stuff isn't there. But I figured
> it'd be a good idea t oget that pointer in for people looking for
> anything else off gborg that didn't know we mirrored those.

In the past, binaries got hosted on Jan Wieck's "downloads area" which
probably lives somewhere nearby there. Apparently it wasn't terribly
convenient to add/drop files from the gBorg downloads area.

For 1.2, I have been putting release candidate files over at
pgFoundry, which is certainly still accessible.
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On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 10:33:36AM -0400, Chris Browne wrote:
> What's up there? It has been down all week.
>
> We're trying to get the Slony-I 1.2 release out, so we can then
> migrate over to pgFoundry. But that doesn't working terribly well
> when gBorg's down...

Speaking of which, what's the status of the migration tools? Is that
ball still in Larry's court?
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No, since my time is up in the air at the moment, I've bowed out for now.

Once I get settled at Surgient, I might take it up again, but not right now.

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Subject: Re: [HACKERS] gBorg status?

On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 10:33:36AM -0400, Chris Browne wrote:
> What's up there? It has been down all week.
>
> We're trying to get the Slony-I 1.2 release out, so we can then
> migrate over to pgFoundry. But that doesn't working terribly well
> when gBorg's down...

Speaking of which, what's the status of the migration tools? Is that ball
still in Larry's court?

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Jim C. Nasby wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 10:33:36AM -0400, Chris Browne wrote:
>> What's up there? It has been down all week.
>>
>> We're trying to get the Slony-I 1.2 release out, so we can then
>> migrate over to pgFoundry. But that doesn't working terribly well
>> when gBorg's down...
>
> Speaking of which, what's the status of the migration tools? Is that
> ball still in Larry's court?

Moving to www where it belongs

Please see the thread cutting the gborg throat.

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Oops! jim(at)nasby(dot)net ("Jim C. Nasby") was seen spray-painting on a wall:
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 10:33:36AM -0400, Chris Browne wrote:
>> What's up there? It has been down all week.
>>
>> We're trying to get the Slony-I 1.2 release out, so we can then
>> migrate over to pgFoundry. But that doesn't working terribly well
>> when gBorg's down...
>
> Speaking of which, what's the status of the migration tools? Is that
> ball still in Larry's court?

Which migration tools? Were there migration tools specific to
gBorg->pgFoundry? Or something else?
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Christopher Browne wrote:
> Oops! jim(at)nasby(dot)net ("Jim C. Nasby") was seen spray-painting on a wall:
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 10:33:36AM -0400, Chris Browne wrote:
>>> What's up there? It has been down all week.
>>>
>>> We're trying to get the Slony-I 1.2 release out, so we can then
>>> migrate over to pgFoundry. But that doesn't working terribly well
>>> when gBorg's down...
>> Speaking of which, what's the status of the migration tools? Is that
>> ball still in Larry's court?
>
> Which migration tools? Were there migration tools specific to
> gBorg->pgFoundry? Or something else?

There was, kind of, sort of. AFAIK they are dead and gone and the
current method of thought on Gborg is here:

http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-general/2006-08/msg01167.php
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The world rejoiced as jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com ("Joshua D. Drake") wrote:
> Christopher Browne wrote:
>> Oops! jim(at)nasby(dot)net ("Jim C. Nasby") was seen spray-painting on a wall:
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 10:33:36AM -0400, Chris Browne wrote:
>>>> What's up there? It has been down all week.
>>>>
>>>> We're trying to get the Slony-I 1.2 release out, so we can then
>>>> migrate over to pgFoundry. But that doesn't working terribly well
>>>> when gBorg's down...
>>> Speaking of which, what's the status of the migration tools? Is that
>>> ball still in Larry's court?
>> Which migration tools? Were there migration tools specific to
>> gBorg->pgFoundry? Or something else?
>
> There was, kind of, sort of. AFAIK they are dead and gone and the
> current method of thought on Gborg is here:
>
> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-general/2006-08/msg01167.php

That seems fine to me.

We already had a plan set up for Slony-I that was not too dissimilar.

To wit...
- There already is a project set up at pgFoundry, and fairly much
all committers at gBorg are members of the project at pgFoundry
- Downloads are being handled from pgFoundry
- We figured we'd migrate outstanding bugs to pgFoundry by hand
- We figured we'd migrate copies of old mailing list archives
- We figured we'd announce the deaths of old lists, and suggest
subscribing to the new ones
- We figured there would be some ability to copy CVS over fairly
losslessly

The *big* steps are moving email and CVS.

I really haven't yet heard a peep yet that hasn't been third-hand
about the gBorg outage, after it has been out for over a week now. To
say that's displeasing is something of an understatement. It
certainly leaves me in no mood to want to keep any services I care to
actually have running hosted on gBorg.

The fact that it has been out for a week, without any public comment
being made, certainly gives me pause. I *HOPE* that we can still
recover CVS and email.

Question about email: Do we need to migrate the old mailing list
archives before setting up new lists on pgFoundry? Or could I set up
a "slony1-discuss" at pgFoundry, fairly immediately, and migrate in
old archives later? [Possibly helpful factor: It's now September,
and the last gBorg traffic was dated in August, so we may not need to
mix months...]
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> The *big* steps are moving email and CVS.

*big* but quite easy :) As long as we have an mbox file from the slony
lists, we can import easily into pgfoundry.

CVS is just an rsync ;)

Joshua D. Drake

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> -----Original Message-----
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> Christopher Browne
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> Subject: Re: [HACKERS] gBorg status?
>
> The fact that it has been out for a week, without any public comment
> being made, certainly gives me pause. I *HOPE* that we can still
> recover CVS and email.

My understanding is that Gborg is being recovered from backup as I type.
I also understand that the delay was not caused by lack of backups or
anything similarly scary, but simply by other priorities.

Regards, Dave.

On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, Dave Page wrote:

> My understanding is that Gborg is being recovered from backup as I type.
> I also understand that the delay was not caused by lack of backups or
> anything similarly scary, but simply by other priorities.

Yes, I have the backup uploaded right now, and doing 'recover procedures'
as I type this ... it will be up before I go to bed tonight ...

As for the 'other priorities' ... the delay was due to an insufficient
Internet connection to upload the backup ... we were waiting for our
Internet to be installed in our new location, and were using an
underpowered temporary connection in the interim ... that one was going to
tie up the connection for >40 hours ... once we were able to get the
backup server onto its 'permanent connection', the upload took ~5hrs ...

As I mentioned, am working on it right now ... will post a follow up once
she's back up live and needing to be tested ... she's also moving to one
of our 64bit servers, so should be a wee bit better performance wise ...

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On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, Dave Page wrote:
>
>> My understanding is that Gborg is being recovered from backup as I type. I
>> also understand that the delay was not caused by lack of backups or
>> anything similarly scary, but simply by other priorities.
>
> Yes, I have the backup uploaded right now, and doing 'recover procedures' as
> I type this ... it will be up before I go to bed tonight ...
>
> As for the 'other priorities' ... the delay was due to an insufficient
> Internet connection to upload the backup ... we were waiting for our Internet
> to be installed in our new location, and were using an underpowered temporary
> connection in the interim ... that one was going to tie up the connection for
>> 40 hours ... once we were able to get the backup server onto its 'permanent
> connection', the upload took ~5hrs ...
>
> As I mentioned, am working on it right now ... will post a follow up once
> she's back up live and needing to be tested ... she's also moving to one of
> our 64bit servers, so should be a wee bit better performance wise ...
>
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