Re: WAIT on release info -- tommorrow!

> All,
>
> The news item hasn't been approved. Should I do it?

The -announce mail hasn't been posted, I thought we were waiting for
that :-)

//Magnus

magnus,

> The -announce mail hasn't been posted, I thought we were waiting for
> that :-)

Well, I can't reach Marc. He's not responding to email. And nobody else
has moderation rights on -announce for some reason I can't comprehend.

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-announce message is just now approved, sorry for delay ... and I approved
the *last* one that was in the list ...

On Tue, 23 May 2006, Magnus Hagander wrote:

>> All,
>>
>> The news item hasn't been approved. Should I do it?
>
> The -announce mail hasn't been posted, I thought we were waiting for
> that :-)
>
> //Magnus
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Marc,

> -announce message is just now approved, sorry for delay ... and I approved
> the *last* one that was in the list ...

Oh, good, that's the right one. Thanks.

Hmmm, maybe we should look into automating -announce in the future?

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Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> writes:
> Hmmm, maybe we should look into automating -announce in the future?

-announce is the one list that really NEEDS to have a human gatekeeper.

regards, tom lane

Tom,

> -announce is the one list that really NEEDS to have a human gatekeeper.

By "automate" I meant "like the News on the front page", with a web interface
and a collective team (slaves-to-the-www) to moderate it. There would have
to be humans involved.

Alternately, can Marc *please* designate an alternate moderator? I know that
majordomo supports this. Someone like Dave, Magnus and/or Robert?

Timing wasn't critical this morning (Newsforge checked with me before posting
a story) but for other stuff it may be. And more than once a vendor or
outside OSS project has waited for a week to get their stuff on -announce
because they didn't know they needed to send a private e-mail to Marc so he
would check the moderation list.

Also, it would be nice to have a several people with more time (collectively)
to weed out bad addresses. Right now, anyone who posts to announce gets an
average of 25-40 bounces, which is rather startling for first-time posters.

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On Tue, 23 May 2006, Josh Berkus wrote:

> magnus,
>
>> The -announce mail hasn't been posted, I thought we were waiting for
>> that :-)
>
> Well, I can't reach Marc. He's not responding to email.

And you didn't SMS page me because ... ? My cell phone is always on, and
*everyone* on this list has my SMS page # ...

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On Tue, 23 May 2006, Josh Berkus wrote:

> Marc,
>
>> -announce message is just now approved, sorry for delay ... and I approved
>> the *last* one that was in the list ...
>
> Oh, good, that's the right one. Thanks.
>
> Hmmm, maybe we should look into automating -announce in the future?

Actually, not sure why we don't have your stuff auto-moderated anyway,
like we do with David's posting of the Weekly news ... what address should
I add to the list of 'doesn't need moderating'?

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On Tue, 23 May 2006, Tom Lane wrote:

> Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> writes:
>> Hmmm, maybe we should look into automating -announce in the future?
>
> -announce is the one list that really NEEDS to have a human gatekeeper.

Ya, but there are some ppl that it *should* be safe to auto-approve ... I
would think that Josh is one of them ... of course, that would mean tha
Josh couldn't "pre-send" the announce, for instance, before he goes to bed
and have it approved by me when I wake up ... so 'time sensitive stuff'
could be a bit more difficult...

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Marc,

> Actually, not sure why we don't have your stuff auto-moderated anyway,
> like we do with David's posting of the Weekly news ... what address
> should I add to the list of 'doesn't need moderating'?

josh(at)postgresql(dot)org would do it.

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Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL @ Sun
San Francisco

Marc,

> Ya, but there are some ppl that it *should* be safe to auto-approve ...
> I would think that Josh is one of them ... of course, that would mean
> tha Josh couldn't "pre-send" the announce, for instance, before he goes
> to bed and have it approved by me when I wake up ... so 'time sensitive
> stuff' could be a bit more difficult...

Nah, I'll just write a cron job. ;-)

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Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL @ Sun
San Francisco

k, you are added to the 'exceptions' list for moderated postings ...

On Tue, 23 May 2006, Josh Berkus wrote:

> Marc,
>
>> Actually, not sure why we don't have your stuff auto-moderated anyway,
>> like we do with David's posting of the Weekly news ... what address
>> should I add to the list of 'doesn't need moderating'?
>
> josh(at)postgresql(dot)org would do it.
>
> --
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>
> Josh Berkus
> PostgreSQL @ Sun
> San Francisco
>

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Hi,

On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 16:30 -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> k, you are added to the 'exceptions' list for moderated postings ...

What if I change my "From:" address to Josh and post a My$QL
announcement?

Do we have some kind of a "Password:" header before the mail?

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> What if I change my "From:" address to Josh and post a My$QL
> announcement?
>
> Do we have some kind of a "Password:" header before the mail?

I don't think so. For that reason, I'd leave it without exceptions.
Marc, maybe you can add me in as a mod to the announce list? I
already hit the other lists at least once a day, and I'll do my
best to clear out the bounces pointed out earlier.

(Plus the handful of manual "stop sending me emails!" messages
I get whenever I post something to announce, sometimes up to
2 weeks later).

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On Tuesday 23 May 2006 16:41, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
> > What if I change my "From:" address to Josh and post a My$QL
> > announcement?
> >
> > Do we have some kind of a "Password:" header before the mail?
>
> I don't think so. For that reason, I'd leave it without exceptions.
> Marc, maybe you can add me in as a mod to the announce list? I
> already hit the other lists at least once a day, and I'll do my
> best to clear out the bounces pointed out earlier.
>
> (Plus the handful of manual "stop sending me emails!" messages
> I get whenever I post something to announce, sometimes up to
> 2 weeks later).

If you guys want additional moderators, I'll volunteer... I'm already a
moderator on a couple of the smaller lists I believe.

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On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 03:53:53PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2006, Josh Berkus wrote:
>
> >Marc,
> >
> >>-announce message is just now approved, sorry for delay ... and I approved
> >>the *last* one that was in the list ...
> >
> >Oh, good, that's the right one. Thanks.
> >
> >Hmmm, maybe we should look into automating -announce in the future?
>
> Actually, not sure why we don't have your stuff auto-moderated anyway,
> like we do with David's posting of the Weekly news ... what address should
> I add to the list of 'doesn't need moderating'?

That doesn't address the issue of other posters waiting a long time for
approvals. There should be more than one person who can moderate, and if
people aren't going to check daily there should be notifications when
new stuff arrives.
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'k, both you and greg added ... the only rule I've been trying to follow
as far as postings is no repeat postings of a product within a full month
of the last posting for that product ...

On Tue, 23 May 2006, Robert Treat wrote:

> On Tuesday 23 May 2006 16:41, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
>>> What if I change my "From:" address to Josh and post a My$QL
>>> announcement?
>>>
>>> Do we have some kind of a "Password:" header before the mail?
>>
>> I don't think so. For that reason, I'd leave it without exceptions.
>> Marc, maybe you can add me in as a mod to the announce list? I
>> already hit the other lists at least once a day, and I'll do my
>> best to clear out the bounces pointed out earlier.
>>
>> (Plus the handful of manual "stop sending me emails!" messages
>> I get whenever I post something to announce, sometimes up to
>> 2 weeks later).
>
> If you guys want additional moderators, I'll volunteer... I'm already a
> moderator on a couple of the smaller lists I believe.
>
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