Re: Org Types, was: The big MySQL spin

> Benevolent oligarchy is the term you want.

Oligarchic technocracy?

Hey, at least it'll get 'em running for a dictionary :-P

Claudio

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Claudio Natoli wrote:
>> Benevolent oligarchy is the term you want.
>
> Oligarchic technocracy?

Oligarchic Meritocracy ?

Peter

On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 08:15, Peter Galbavy wrote:
> Claudio Natoli wrote:
> >> Benevolent oligarchy is the term you want.
> >
> > Oligarchic technocracy?
>
> Oligarchic Meritocracy ?
>

Certainly you've hit an important point in the discussion bringing up
meritocracy. With PostgreSQL, people's ability to shape the
direction/features of PostgreSQL is based on the merits of their work
and/or ideas, and the ascent to positions of control follow the same
path. With something like my$ql, ascent to a position of power is not
given from the community, but must be obtained from the corporation.
my$ql may say they are a republic / representative democracy, but given
that one party controls who all the candidates are there isn't much need
for voting...

Robert Treat
--
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Hmmmm ....

Anarchistic/Democratic Ogliarchic Meritocracy, really.

Boy, ain't that fun to say!

The Core may be an "ogilarchy", but most things are decided individually or
collectively by Hackers and the sub-project leads, whose influence is almost
directly based on seniority and contributions to the project. Also, we
seldom take votes with actual counts; our "voting" process tends to be more
reminicent of anarchist labor organizations and political groups, where we
attempt to build a consensus out of all participants or "all minus one".

Also, Core is aware that we can't do anything that we can't persuade the
majority of contributors is a good idea, lest we lose people from the
project.

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Josh Berkus wrote:

> Hmmmm ....
>
> Anarchistic/Democratic Ogliarchic Meritocracy, really.

Maybe we're an anarchosyndicalist commune. :-) groan.

scott(dot)marlowe(at)ihs(dot)com ("scott.marlowe") writes:
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> Hmmmm ....
>>
>> Anarchistic/Democratic Ogliarchic Meritocracy, really.
>
> Maybe we're an anarchosyndicalist commune. :-) groan.

Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on
about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you?
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Chris Browne wrote:

> scott(dot)marlowe(at)ihs(dot)com ("scott.marlowe") writes:
> > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Josh Berkus wrote:
> >> Hmmmm ....
> >>
> >> Anarchistic/Democratic Ogliarchic Meritocracy, really.
> >
> > Maybe we're an anarchosyndicalist commune. :-) groan.
>
> Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on
> about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you?

Can you keep it down a bit, I was trying to listen to Scott, eh? :)

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> Oligarchic technocracy?

Hegemonic meritocracy more like it :P

Chris

Josh Berkus wrote:
> Hmmmm ....
>
> Anarchistic/Democratic Ogliarchic Meritocracy, really.
>
> Boy, ain't that fun to say!
>
> The Core may be an "ogilarchy", but most things are decided individually or
> collectively by Hackers and the sub-project leads, whose influence is almost
> directly based on seniority and contributions to the project. Also, we
> seldom take votes with actual counts; our "voting" process tends to be more
> reminicent of anarchist labor organizations and political groups, where we
> attempt to build a consensus out of all participants or "all minus one".

Agreed. People who disagree usually have some good point that we can
work into the solution to make it better, and have everyone happy.

> Also, Core is aware that we can't do anything that we can't persuade the
> majority of contributors is a good idea, lest we lose people from the
> project.

Now that is a good analysis!

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