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From: | Jussi Mikkola <jussi(dot)mikkola(at)bonware(dot)com> |
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Subject: | Year of the Open-Source Database |
Date: | 2003-11-18 10:25:31 |
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A story in newsfactor.com. Very pro mysql.
http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/22685.html
Rgs,
Jussi
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Subject: | Re: Year of the Open-Source Database |
Date: | 2003-11-18 10:45:36 |
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Użytkownik Jussi Mikkola napisał:
> A story in newsfactor.com. Very pro mysql.
>
> http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/22685.html
It is another story, which don't ask both sides - there are only
opinions from MySQL team and they are totaly out of mind if they think
that: ...."In the landscape of Oracle and DB2 and SQL Server, MySQL and
Postgres are relatively in the same ballpark"...
But it also an excellent example of MySQL's marketing actions...
From: | Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> |
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To: | Marek Lewczuk <newsy(at)lewczuk(dot)com>, Jussi Mikkola <jussi(dot)mikkola(at)bonware(dot)com> |
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Subject: | Re: Year of the Open-Source Database |
Date: | 2003-11-18 16:28:37 |
Message-ID: | 200311180828.37761.josh@agliodbs.com |
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Guys,
> It is another story, which don't ask both sides - there are only
> opinions from MySQL team and they are totaly out of mind if they think
FWIW, Newsfactor is not a real "publication"; they are a news clearinghouse
for any random stringer* who wants to submit stories, and pay some tiny fee
per article (like, say, $30). As a result, their quality control is
non-existant.
Given that the reporter didn't contact us, we're lucky we got a mention at
all. If anyone can get the reporter's e-mail, I'd be interested in offering
our help for future articles. Please, everyone, remember that it is never,
ever, effective to criticize a reporter.
"sub selects" indeed! "We all query in a yellow database, a yellow database
...." (Actually, MySQL has reason to be ticked about this article as well,
they got subselects in 4.0)
* stringer = low-paid freelance reporter. Generally gets paid by the word or
line.
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Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
From: | "Roderick A(dot) Anderson" <raanders(at)acm(dot)org> |
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To: | PostgreSQL Advocacy <pgsql-advocacy(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: Year of the Open-Source Database |
Date: | 2003-11-18 17:19:47 |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Jussi Mikkola wrote:
> A story in newsfactor.com. Very pro mysql.
>
> http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/22685.html
Sixth paragraph.
... Postgres (formally known as "PostgreSQL") ...
Did I miss something here? I always thought it was the other way around.
Rod
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From: | Andrew Sullivan <andrew(at)libertyrms(dot)info> |
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Subject: | Re: Year of the Open-Source Database |
Date: | 2003-11-18 17:30:13 |
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On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:19:47AM -0800, Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
>
> ... Postgres (formally known as "PostgreSQL") ...
>
> Did I miss something here? I always thought it was the other way around.
It's one of the historic problems, actaully. Postgres was a database
product that used PostQUEL. When SQL got put in, Postgres85 was
born, and soon renamed PostgreSQL to highlight its SQL capabilities.
But it's a mouthful. So people might correctly say, "Postgres
(formally known as 'PostgreSQL' and formerly 'Postgres')." But it
would cause grave confusion and general unhappiness.
A
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From: | "Roderick A(dot) Anderson" <raanders(at)acm(dot)org> |
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Subject: | Re: Year of the Open-Source Database |
Date: | 2003-11-18 17:53:44 |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
> It's one of the historic problems, actaully. Postgres was a database
> product that used PostQUEL. When SQL got put in, Postgres85 was
> born, and soon renamed PostgreSQL to highlight its SQL capabilities.
> But it's a mouthful. So people might correctly say, "Postgres
> (formally known as 'PostgreSQL' and formerly 'Postgres')." But it
> would cause grave confusion and general unhappiness.
Well that does add some confusion. The reason I even mentioned it was
because of a message/thread earlier this month (last month?) about
Postgres vs. PostgreSQL. It is a mouthful for sure and I find myself
slurring the QL so it comes out mostly as Postgres (unless I've had a few
pints then I drool the last :-).
Rod
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From: | Robert Treat <xzilla(at)users(dot)sourceforge(dot)net> |
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To: | Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> |
Cc: | Marek Lewczuk <newsy(at)lewczuk(dot)com>, Jussi Mikkola <jussi(dot)mikkola(at)bonware(dot)com>, PostgreSQL advocacy <pgsql-advocacy(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: Year of the Open-Source Database |
Date: | 2003-11-18 17:59:04 |
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BTW - I did submit some feedback on this article at the site, pointing
out some of the error/omissions, but I never saw it show up... :-(
Robert Treat
On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 11:28, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Guys,
>
> > It is another story, which don't ask both sides - there are only
> > opinions from MySQL team and they are totaly out of mind if they think
>
> FWIW, Newsfactor is not a real "publication"; they are a news clearinghouse
> for any random stringer* who wants to submit stories, and pay some tiny fee
> per article (like, say, $30). As a result, their quality control is
> non-existant.
>
> Given that the reporter didn't contact us, we're lucky we got a mention at
> all. If anyone can get the reporter's e-mail, I'd be interested in offering
> our help for future articles. Please, everyone, remember that it is never,
> ever, effective to criticize a reporter.
>
> "sub selects" indeed! "We all query in a yellow database, a yellow database
> ...." (Actually, MySQL has reason to be ticked about this article as well,
> they got subselects in 4.0)
>
> * stringer = low-paid freelance reporter. Generally gets paid by the word or
> line.
>
> --
> Josh Berkus
> Aglio Database Solutions
> San Francisco
>
> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
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From: | greg(at)turnstep(dot)com |
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Subject: | Re: Year of the Open-Source Database |
Date: | 2003-11-18 23:50:35 |
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>Did I miss something here? I always thought it was the other way around.
No, they are correct. You are thinking of "formerly." They mean
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From: | Christopher Kings-Lynne <chriskl(at)familyhealth(dot)com(dot)au> |
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To: | Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> |
Cc: | Marek Lewczuk <newsy(at)lewczuk(dot)com>, Jussi Mikkola <jussi(dot)mikkola(at)bonware(dot)com>, PostgreSQL advocacy <pgsql-advocacy(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: Year of the Open-Source Database |
Date: | 2003-11-19 01:49:58 |
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> Given that the reporter didn't contact us, we're lucky we got a mention at
> all. If anyone can get the reporter's e-mail, I'd be interested in offering
> our help for future articles. Please, everyone, remember that it is never,
> ever, effective to criticize a reporter.
>
> "sub selects" indeed! "We all query in a yellow database, a yellow database
> ...." (Actually, MySQL has reason to be ticked about this article as well,
> they got subselects in 4.0)
Er - no they didn't. Subselects a are an alpha feature of the
unreleased 4.1 version.
Chris
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Subject: | Re: Year of the Open-Source Database |
Date: | 2003-11-19 13:58:01 |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 greg(at)turnstep(dot)com wrote:
> No, they are correct. You are thinking of "formerly." They mean
> "formally" as in the non-abbreviated proper name.
Well I really need to get a bigger monitor or better eyes. You're right.
Thanks for 'clearing' this up for me.
Rod
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