The optimizer is too smart for me - How can I trick it?

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From: "Peter Vanderborght" <peter(dot)vanderborght(at)taatu(dot)com>
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Subject: The optimizer is too smart for me - How can I trick it?
Date: 2008-05-30 08:49:21
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Hi,

I've implemented Depesz's running total function
(http://www.depesz.com/index.php/2007/08/17/rownum-anyone-cumulative-sum-in-
one-query/) in my DB, which works great.
Now what I want to do is get the running total for a certain statement and
then do a subselect on that result so to get a non-zero start on a function.

Example:

select day, registrations, runningsum(cast('myregistrations' as text),
cast(registrations as int4)) as rtotal
from
(
select cast(to_char(dateinscr, 'YYYY-MM-DD') as timestamp) as day,
count(*) as registrations
from public.people
where supplierid = 609
and dateinscr < date_trunc('day', now())
group by day
order by day
) subQ

This gives me correct output like this:

day | registrations | rtotal
---------------------+---------------+--------
2008-04-14 00:00:00 | 1 | 1
2008-04-17 00:00:00 | 11 | 12
2008-04-18 00:00:00 | 24 | 36
2008-04-19 00:00:00 | 14 | 50
2008-04-20 00:00:00 | 13 | 63
2008-04-21 00:00:00 | 6 | 69
2008-04-22 00:00:00 | 2 | 71
2008-04-23 00:00:00 | 12 | 83
2008-04-24 00:00:00 | 5 | 88
2008-04-25 00:00:00 | 13 | 101
2008-04-26 00:00:00 | 11 | 112

Then I want to subselect on this and do:

select *
from
(
select day, registrations, runningsum(cast('myregistrations' as text),
cast(registrations as int4)) as rtotal
from
(
select cast(to_char(dateinscr, 'YYYY-MM-DD') as timestamp) as day,
count(*) as registrations
from public.people
where supplierid = 609
and dateinscr < date_trunc('day', now())
group by day
order by day
) subQ
) subq2
Where day > '2008-04-24'

And I would expect to get
day | registrations | rtotal
---------------------+---------------+--------
2008-04-25 00:00:00 | 13 | 101
2008-04-26 00:00:00 | 11 | 112

Instead, the optimizer sees what I'm trying to do, moves the where clause
inside the subquery and my output becomes

day | registrations | rtotal
---------------------+---------------+--------
2008-04-25 00:00:00 | 13 | 13
2008-04-26 00:00:00 | 11 | 24

What can I do to tell the optimizer to keep its hands off my query or at
least get it to not optimize?

Thanks,
Peter


From: "Adam Rich" <adam(dot)r(at)sbcglobal(dot)net>
To: <peter(dot)vanderborght(at)taatu(dot)com>, <pgsql-general(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: The optimizer is too smart for me - How can I trick it?
Date: 2008-05-30 15:13:49
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> I've implemented Depesz's running total function
> (http://www.depesz.com/index.php/2007/08/17/rownum-anyone-cumulative-
> sum-in-
> one-query/) in my DB, which works great.
> Now what I want to do is get the running total for a certain statement
> and
> then do a subselect on that result so to get a non-zero start on a
> function.
>
> Instead, the optimizer sees what I'm trying to do, moves the where
> clause
> inside the subquery and my output becomes
>
> What can I do to tell the optimizer to keep its hands off my query or
> at
> least get it to not optimize?
>

I think if you add a LIMIT/OFFSET clause to your subquery, the planner
will leave it alone.


From: "Peter Vanderborght" <peter(dot)vanderborght(at)taatu(dot)com>
To: "'Adam Rich'" <adam(dot)r(at)sbcglobal(dot)net>, <pgsql-general(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: The optimizer is too smart for me - How can I trick it?
Date: 2008-05-30 15:28:41
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GREAT!!!
Just "offset 0" in the subquery did the trick!

I had already been playing with a stored proc, but that's way more messy
than this.

Thanks a million!
Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Rich [mailto:adam(dot)r(at)sbcglobal(dot)net]
Sent: 30 May 2008 17:14
To: peter(dot)vanderborght(at)taatu(dot)com; pgsql-general(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: RE: [GENERAL] The optimizer is too smart for me - How can I trick
it?

> I've implemented Depesz's running total function
> (http://www.depesz.com/index.php/2007/08/17/rownum-anyone-cumulative-
> sum-in-
> one-query/) in my DB, which works great.
> Now what I want to do is get the running total for a certain statement
> and then do a subselect on that result so to get a non-zero start on a
> function.
>
> Instead, the optimizer sees what I'm trying to do, moves the where
> clause inside the subquery and my output becomes
>
> What can I do to tell the optimizer to keep its hands off my query or
> at least get it to not optimize?
>

I think if you add a LIMIT/OFFSET clause to your subquery, the planner
will leave it alone.


From: Martijn van Oosterhout <kleptog(at)svana(dot)org>
To: Peter Vanderborght <peter(dot)vanderborght(at)taatu(dot)com>
Cc: pgsql-general(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: The optimizer is too smart for me - How can I trick it?
Date: 2008-05-30 16:30:21
Message-ID: 20080530163021.GC18339@svana.org
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On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:49:21AM +0200, Peter Vanderborght wrote:
> What can I do to tell the optimizer to keep its hands off my query or at
> least get it to not optimize?

The usual trick is you put an OFFSET 0 in the subquery, which prevents
the optimiser from pulling it up.

Have a nice day.
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