Re: PL/pgSQL PERFORM with CTE

From: Pavel Stehule <pavel(dot)stehule(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: "David E(dot) Wheeler" <david(at)justatheory(dot)com>
Cc: Andres Freund <andres(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Merlin Moncure <mmoncure(at)gmail(dot)com>, Marko Tiikkaja <marko(at)joh(dot)to>, Jan Wieck <JanWieck(at)yahoo(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: PL/pgSQL PERFORM with CTE
Date: 2013-08-29 22:04:08
Message-ID: CAFj8pRBoUeOJfgrWj5oBugvRcVK-85tas+2DjEyKnkoUoNYqdg@mail.gmail.com
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2013/8/29 David E. Wheeler <david(at)justatheory(dot)com>

> On Aug 29, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Andres Freund <andres(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> wrote:
>
> >> You have yet to supply any arguments which support this position.
> >
> > I am not convinced that's enough of a reason, but the requirement to use
> > PERFORM for SELECTs that aren't stored anywhere actually has prevented
> > bugs for me. I am not convinced that's worth the cost since I also have
> > been annoyed by it several times, but it's not as crystal clear as you
> > paint it.
>
> So now we can revise Josh’s assertion to: “I have seen only tepid,
> unconvincing arguments which support this position.”
>
> I have thought that PERFORM was useful to mark queries that discard
> results in the past, but I think now that the mental load is higher, even
> if it can be fixed with CTEs, it’s more trouble than it’s worth.
>

when we fix a correct call of VOID function, then half of problem goes out.
Second half is subjective.

I remember, some years ago there was a proposal to change syntax and remove
all verbosity features from PL/pgSQL - for example - using only END instead
END IF, END LOOP, ...

For me, this talk is similar - we have a language, that was designed be
secure and verbose, what means, so developer must to write some chars more.
You cannot to have both - short language and secure.

Regards

Pavel

>
> Best,
>
> David
>
>

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