Re: jsonb and nested hstore

From: Oleg Bartunov <obartunov(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)heroku(dot)com>
Cc: Teodor Sigaev <teodor(at)sigaev(dot)ru>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Merlin Moncure <mmoncure(at)gmail(dot)com>, Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>, Christophe Pettus <xof(at)thebuild(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: jsonb and nested hstore
Date: 2014-03-06 13:16:22
Message-ID: CAF4Au4xSxxsLr_4_APKmk7G7GB3x6as1quEY99N7nuZPORBk8w@mail.gmail.com
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On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)heroku(dot)com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Teodor Sigaev <teodor(at)sigaev(dot)ru> wrote:
>> That's possible to introduce GUC variable for i/o functions which will
>> control old "bug-to-bug" behavior. IMHO, this is much better option that
>> stopping hstore development or split hstore to two branches.
>
> A GUC that controls i/o functions is generally considered to be an
> unacceptable hack.
>
> In what sense are we really stopping hstore development if hstore2
> lives as jsonb? I have a hard time imagining someone dealing with the
> incompatibility that a user-facing hstore2 would introduce, while
> still preferring hstore syntax over json syntax given the choice.
> There are very rich facilities for manipulating json available in
> every programming language. The same is not true of hstore.
>
> Having looked at the issue today, I think that the amount of redundant
> code between a hstore2 in core as jsonb and hstore1 will be
> acceptable. The advantages of making a clean-break in having to
> support the legacy hstore disk format strengthen the case for doing so
> too.

Heh, let's not to do an implusive decision about hstore2. I agree,
that jsonb has
a lot of facilities, but don't forget, that json(b) has to follow standard and
in that sense it's more constrained than hstore, which we could further
develop to support some interesting features, which will never be implemented
in json(b). Also, it'd be a bit awkward after working on nested
hstore and declaring it
on several conferences (Engine Yard has sponsored part of our hstore
work), suddenly
break people expectation and say, that our work has moved to core to
provide json
some very cool features, good bye, hstore users :( I'm afraid people
will not understand us.

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