Re: Idea for getting rid of VACUUM FREEZE on cold pages

From: Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
To: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
Cc: Kevin Grittner <Kevin(dot)Grittner(at)wicourts(dot)gov>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Russell Smith <mr-russ(at)pws(dot)com(dot)au>, Jan Wieck <JanWieck(at)yahoo(dot)com>
Subject: Re: Idea for getting rid of VACUUM FREEZE on cold pages
Date: 2010-06-04 17:57:58
Message-ID: 201006041757.o54Hvwt17648@momjian.us
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Tom Lane wrote:
> Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> writes:
> > The idea that thousands of Postgres installations are slower just so we
> > can occasionally debug xmin/xmax issues seems way off balance to me.
>
> There's no evidence whatsoever that the scope of the problem is that large.
>
> > If people want debugging, let them modify the freeze age settings; the
> > defaults should not favor debugging when there is a measurable cost
> > involved. How many times in the past five years have we even needed
> > such debugging information, and also are cases where we could not have
> > told the user to change freeze settings to get us that info?
>
> You're missing the point here: this is something we need when trying
> to make sense of cases that are hard or impossible to reproduce.
> Retroactively changing the freeze policy isn't possible.

With in-place VACUUM FULL gone in 9.0, will there be as much need for
xmin/xmax forensics?

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