Re: Standalone synchronous master

From: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
To: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
Subject: Re: Standalone synchronous master
Date: 2014-01-08 23:27:21
Message-ID: 19681.1389223641@sss.pgh.pa.us
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Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> writes:
> HOWEVER, we've already kind of set up an indeterminate situation with
> allowing sync rep groups and candidate sync rep servers. Consider this:

> 1. Master server A is configured with sync replica B and candidate sync
> replica C

> 2. A rolling power/network failure event occurs, which causes B and C to
> go down sometime before A, and all of them to go down before the
> application does.

> 3. On restore, only C is restorable; both A and B are a total loss.

> Again, we have no way to know whether or not C was in sync replication
> when it went down. If C went down before B, then we've lost data; if B
> went down before C, we haven't. But we can't find out. *This* is where
> it would be useful to have C log whenever it went into (or out of)
> synchronous mode.

Good point, but C can't solve this for you just by logging. If C was the
first to go down, it has no way to know whether A and B committed more
transactions before dying; and it's unlikely to have logged its own crash,
either.

More fundamentally, if you want to survive the failure of M out of N
nodes, you need a sync configuration that guarantees data is on at least
M+1 nodes before reporting commit. The above example doesn't meet that,
so it's not surprising that you're screwed.

What we lack, and should work on, is a way for sync mode to have M larger
than one. AFAICS, right now we'll report commit as soon as there's one
up-to-date replica, and some high-reliability cases are going to want
more.

regards, tom lane

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