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Re: [PATCHES] Win32 Event log


  • From: Bruce Momjian <pgman(at)candle(dot)pha(dot)pa(dot)us>
  • To: Dave Page <dpage(at)vale-housing(dot)co(dot)uk>
  • Cc: Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>, pgsql-hackers-win32 <pgsql-hackers-win32(at)postgresql(dot)org>
  • Subject: Re: [PATCHES] Win32 Event log
  • Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:27:01 -0400 (EDT)
  • Message-id: <200408180327(dot)i7I3R1L01259(at)candle(dot)pha(dot)pa(dot)us>

OK, where are we now on the NT4 support issue?  Do we need to modify the
8.0 release announcement?

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Dave Page wrote:
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman(at)candle(dot)pha(dot)pa(dot)us] 
> > Sent: 13 August 2004 03:59
> > To: Dave Page
> > Cc: Andrew Dunstan; pgsql-hackers-win32
> > Subject: Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] [PATCHES] Win32 Event log
> > 
> > (http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/10825_2239651_3 for 
> > > further analyis). Therefore, attempts to create tablespaces will 
> > > probably cause a crash.
> > 
> > Can't we fix such a _hypothetical_ crash when someone finally 
> > reports it?
> > In fact I bet we aren't going to be able to prevent folks 
> > from running on NT4 anyway so we will have to fix it.
> 
> On further examination of Andreas' patch, it doesn't use an APIs that
> aren't in NT4 as far as I can see, instead it uses existing functions
> (such as DeviceIoControl), but with control codes like
> FSCTL_SET_REPARSE_POINT which are *not* in NT. As far as I can tell
> without spending time I don't have on it, symlink creation will fail
> gracefully and as long as the create tablespace code can handle that, it
> should be pretty clean.
> 
> > If the installer can't run on NT4 SP4, that is an installer 
> > issue.  I don't see why we should label the base source code 
> > as not working on it.
> 
> Because the vast majority of Windows users *will not* compile from
> source, they will use the installer. If press releases go out saying it
> supports NT4 and we do get a ton of downloads from NT users, we will end
> up with a correspopnding flood of emails and bug reports. End users will
> not see the difference between the source, and the precompiled binary,
> even if we do see them as separate projects.
> 
> > If it doesn't have symlinks, fine, no tablespaces.   I will update the
> > release notes to mention the installer doesn't run on NT4.
> > 
> > Basically, we can't turn the PostgreSQL ship on a dime. If we 
> > come out and say NT4 doesn't work, the someone else appears 
> > and gets it working, it is harder to communicate that.  I 
> > don't want to be adding/removing
> > NT4 based on untested ideas.
> 
> The installer issue is not untested - I got a bug report about it this
> morning. The table spaces issue is, but as no-one here seems to have NT4
> we can't test it. We also cannot reasonably support a platform that none
> of us have access to.
> 
> By all means note that the base code will compile and run without
> tablespaces on NT4, but please do not announce that it's an official
> supported platform.
> 
> Regards, Dave.
> 

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